Taking a direct look at both is pretty revealing to me;
Jake's got the edge in Bombs equal in ASW, but no Torp.attack that Emily can buff if you want to keep spending 10 pts and again it is limited to airfield space.
Sea basing is a lot better than Loiter;;; Spotting and Shadow each have their own value, Emily has plus in D armament and right now 2 or maybe 3pts.more.
Defensive line is the same 4-7-1
I think Theaetetus was on the right track; 10 is to much, but 9 is not with another SA;; putting it at Late 298's cost.
for example Deceptive Target; Finish Him Off; Rugged--Elan;; Surprise;;; Giving it more viability but yet controlling numbers per game with cost.
So you are advocating for 9?
I think that is too much. At that price they would rarely be used, certainly not for Spotting. Bomb 7 with no torps makes them useless against capital ships. I don't see them being "swarmed" because even at a cost of 8 you would run out of unit allotment per fleet cost without enough ships to actually take objectives.
Shimming with another SA doesn't help. We have learned that hard way especially back during the first two decks. Another SA that is not complementary is added, the cost goes up and then the unit is too expensive to use for the one SA you want to use while the others are on the card doing nothing except making the price too high. Units in Deck 2 are especially chronically over-costed because of "SA shimming."
I understand your reasoning very well; Without some new SA I couldn't solve that problem either; so your right!! The 7 pt suggestion did scare me a bit, so i believe 8 is a better Choice.
Still think down the line this unit will not play with others, just seems to me as with the Walrus a little outside the original scope of the game;
Sea Basing on the Rufe was something RB could get away with in his game, i'm not a big fan of it on other units, i tried my best to dissuade it but others want it.
I think that is too much. At that price they would rarely be used, certainly not for Spotting. Bomb 7 with no torps makes them useless against capital ships. I don't see them being "swarmed" because even at a cost of 8 you would run out of unit allotment per fleet cost without enough ships to actually take objectives.
Shimming with another SA doesn't help. We have learned that hard way especially back during the first two decks. Another SA that is not complementary is added, the cost goes up and then the unit is too expensive to use for the one SA you want to use while the others are on the card doing nothing except making the price too high. Units in Deck 2 are especially chronically over-costed because of "SA shimming."
I understand your reasoning very well; Without some new SA I couldn't solve that problem either; so your right!! The 7 pt suggestion did scare me a bit, so i believe 8 is a better Choice.
Still think down the line this unit will not play with others, just seems to me as with the Walrus a little outside the original scope of the game;
Sea Basing on the Rufe was something RB could get away with in his game, i'm not a big fan of it on other units, i tried my best to dissuade it but others want it.
I agree with you on the Walrus. The Allies were starting to install radar just as the war started. Germany had a radar set too, but their doctrine was flawed because they thought the ability for the enemy to detect a radar sweep was worse than the advantage of using the radar. Anyway, the Allies really only used their float planes for search and rescue for the most part. The US didn't even use them for reconnaissance during the carrier battles! I am really only interested in the Ar 196 and Jake because the Axis actually did envision and use these aircraft in an offensive way.
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Maker: Aichi Introduced: 1941 Wingspan: 47ft, 7 in Length: 37ft, 1in Speed: 234 mph at 7,155 ft Forumini Speed: 13 Service Ceiling: 28,640 ft Armament: 1 x 7.7mm MG, 1 x 551 lb bomb, 4 x 132 lb bombs, or 4 x DCs Range : 1,128 miles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Aichi E13A "Jake" Aircraft – Dive Bomber 1941 Cost: 8 Bomb: 7 ASW: 3 A/VA/HP: 4/7/1
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There really shouldnt be anything terrible important. It does nothing existing units dont already do. Spotter is a weaker shadowing. Seabasing lates have been around years. Asw3 on a aircraft is typical, for the allies anyway