Aichi E13A "Jake" *Done*

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Aichi E13A "Jake" *Done* Jan 18, 2021 2:43:52 GMT nrnstraswa likes this

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Time to put another card in the oven

Aichi E13A "Jake"

Maker: Aichi
Introduced: 1941
Wingspan: 47ft, 7 in
Length: 37ft, 1in
Speed: 234 mph at 7,155 ft
Forumini Speed: 13
Service Ceiling: 28,640 ft
Armament: 1 x 7.7mm MG, 1 x 551 lb bomb, 4 x 132 lb bombs, or 4 x DCs
Range : 1,128 miles
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Aircraft – Dive Bomber
1941
Cost: ?

Bomb: 7-8

ASW: 2-3

A/VA/HP: 4/7/1

SAs

Sea Basing - This unit can base only in a coast or an island sector on your side of the map. Don't place a Rearming counter on this unit during your Air Return step.

Notes:

A single downward firing 20 mm cannon was field installed on some aircraft to attack PT-boats. After November 1944 some had a factory installed cannon. Also after November 1944 some were equipped with surface to air radar and others with magnetic airbourne submarine detection (MAS) devices, but the aircraft had to fly only 30 to 40 ft above the surface to detect a sub.

The most numerous IJN floatplane (1,418 built). Originally designed for reconnaissance and maritime convoy protection, they were operated from battleships, cruisers, seaplane tenders, and shore bases. They were used for anti-shipping, anti-submarine, and coastal bombing missions. Later in the war they flew anti-submarine patrols in threes. One plane would have the MAD device.

Possible SAs

Spotter - At the beginning of your Air Attack step, you may choose an enemy Ship within range 2. Your Ships roll one extra attack die when attacking that ship at range 2 or greater with their main Gunnery attack this turn.

Night Specialist - While in Darkness, this unit gets +1 on each search check and ignores darkness attack penalties.

ASW Swarm - During your Air Attack step, if another friendly Aircraft makes an ASW attack against an enemy Submarine, this unit rolls one extra attack die when making ASW attacks against that enemy Submarine this turn.

Last Edit: May 2, 2021 2:45:36 GMT by weedsrock2

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mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,324	Aichi E13A "Jake" Done Jan 18, 2021 3:13:18 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Jan 18, 2021 3:13:18 GMT I think Spotter is why this aircraft was chosen.
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Aichi E13A "Jake" *Done* Jan 18, 2021 5:33:43 GMT

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Jan 18, 2021 3:13:18 GMT mnnorthstars said:

I think Spotter is why this aircraft was chosen.

Interestingly, my three books on Japanese aircraft don't even mention the spotter role. The "Pete" was used for that more than the Jake, although the Jake did spotting too. It was more of a "Jack of all Trades" like the AR 196, but much more in the bomber role and not at all as a fighter. Recon, ASW, and bombing in areas with light opposition (especially early in the war) were it's main claims to fame. It had pretty long legs.

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Aichi E13A "Jake" *Done* Jan 18, 2021 6:21:13 GMT via mobile

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My impression was that it was supposed to be a utility plane.

What might be interesting is to include a variant of the sorearbia's reinforce installation SA. Or even be perhaps be generous and give a +1 on all attacks by the installation. Representative of fighter(aa) and spotting (gunnery)

weedsrock2 Administrator Posts: 5,199	Aichi E13A "Jake" Done Jan 18, 2021 16:29:40 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by weedsrock2 on Jan 18, 2021 16:29:40 GMT It was one of the major ASW aircraft the IJN had. I think ASW swarm would be much more useful than an Installation SA.
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mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,324	Aichi E13A "Jake" Done Jan 18, 2021 18:30:48 GMT Theaetetus likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Jan 18, 2021 18:30:48 GMT Me too. Despite Japan being the country with all the sea bases everyone attacked, Japan is not the installation nation.
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Aichi E13A "Jake" *Done* Jan 18, 2021 19:15:48 GMT

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Post by waratsea4 on Jan 18, 2021 19:15:48 GMT

Just thinking out loud.

Spotter seems a definite

Looking at other aircraft with its payload i think 7 bomb and 2 ASW seems more like it.

I've read it had good range and air time; but Sea Basing takes care of that.

I also read it was used extensively on coastal patrols so Coastal Cover works nice, giving it a Bomb and ASW die boost.

This is a unique unit to the game, a Sea Basing dive bomber;

We now have a DB with no Airbase or Carrier restrictions; cost will seem to have a big impact on builds.

mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,324	Aichi E13A "Jake" Done Jan 18, 2021 23:14:15 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Jan 18, 2021 23:14:15 GMT If this is on the bubble I’d prefer ASW 3 rather than 2 and a buff. The opportunities for airborne ASW on the Axis side above 2 dice are rare anyway.
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mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,324	Aichi E13A "Jake" Done Jan 18, 2021 23:17:33 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Jan 18, 2021 23:17:33 GMT 2 aircraft have ASW 3, Emily and Jill. If you’re using a Jill for ASW work, your opponent has you at an advantage. 9 have ASW 2.
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Aichi E13A "Jake" *Done* Jan 19, 2021 0:13:40 GMT via mobile

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Post by flakstruk on Jan 19, 2021 0:13:40 GMT

Asw can be the primary role. Leveraging the unusual basing type as a extra would be a cool extra though.

ASW swarm requires 2 dedicated ASW planes. Generally speaking, these utility aircraft arent really points efficent. So, what if we used the mecganics of straddle instead.
Weeds concerns about system memory on multiturn SAs is recognised. But think of it as a bonus for a persistent attack

flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,839	Aichi E13A "Jake" Done Jan 19, 2021 0:15:10 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Jan 19, 2021 0:15:10 GMT Jan 18, 2021 23:14:15 GMT mnnorthstars said: If this is on the bubble I’d prefer ASW 3 rather than 2 and a buff. The opportunities for airborne ASW on the Axis side above 2 dice are rare anyway. Definately

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Aichi E13A "Jake" *Done* Jan 19, 2021 2:38:59 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Jan 19, 2021 2:38:59 GMT

These were probably the IJN's most used ASW aircraft. (Which admittedly isn't saying much!) This aircraft is the first chapter in the book "Japanese Anti-Submarine Aircraft of the Second World War." It also has a detailed chapter near the end on how they used three of these aircraft in a sub hunter-killer group with one of the aircraft equipped with MAD and the other two attacking in an attack pattern based on the locating aircraft dropping a marker. It was elaborate - and not very effective. Those darn subs kept moving!

But they spent a lot of time at it during the last year of the war trying to deal with the US submarine onslaught.

This aircraft entered service late in 1941 just before the attack on Pearl Harbor. They were first used in China and Indo China. But their first major use was scouting Pearl Harbor the day before the attack. They were produced for most of the war and went everywhere with the IJN. These were also most of the search aircraft that fanned out to find the US fleet during the Battle of Midway.

I think they rate an ASW 3. ASW was an initial design criteria and they actually carried "depth bombs" when on dedicated ASW missions. Do keep in mind though that most subs were sunk on the surface by aircraft dropping conventional bombs in WWII. Especially early in the war.

And yes, I really hate SAs that carry over to another turn. And even especially more on something you might have multiple units in play that have to be tracked.

I can easily see two of these being placed over a sub in the game to utilize ASW Swarm. We place multiple ASW aircraft over subs all the time in our club when we have them.

I suggested Night Specialist because they were used at night to attack PT boats and other ships just like the Rufe's. Either with bombs or the field-installed 20 mm cannon.

I think we have more than enough "coastal operation" SAs in this deck already.

Bomb 7 would be okay. It is on the bubble 7-8 according to the stat tables. Good against MTB's and destroyers and enough for a hit on a cruiser is about right. Assuming they can survive the AA.

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Aichi E13A "Jake" *Done* Jan 19, 2021 3:15:10 GMT

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Post by RH on Jan 19, 2021 3:15:10 GMT

I would say go with the ASW and if you wanted to added an SA reconnaissance initiative maybe it needs a penalty for Carriers coming out of the battle of Midway. But however this piece turns out I am interested in it as I haven’t done a table top Midway version for a long time

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Aichi E13A "Jake" *Done* Jan 19, 2021 4:02:46 GMT via mobile

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Post by flakstruk on Jan 19, 2021 4:02:46 GMT

Weeds, you just need some custom counters for that stuff lol

Night specialist overlaps with rufe pretty intently. What if we roll that and swarm together into a reroll like elite bombers

Im usually pretty skeptical of installation SAs, but if its a bit of a add on without cost, it plays a useful roleplay role. Passively boost installation stats

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