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M-Class light cruiser - München *Done* Dec 21, 2020 4:43:21 GMT

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Dec 20, 2020 23:35:05 GMT au64 said:

Well, I seem to be in a minority here. So while I disagree that the SA should include the "Cannot use Landing"... I'll go with the majority. I think it just doesn't serve the purpose that the SA should and becomes a waste of space.

Go with it. I've said my piece, it'll just stay in my binder instead of guarding my German Installations.

Why would making it less restrictive cause it to have less value?

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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,839	M-Class light cruiser - München Done Dec 21, 2020 7:03:26 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Dec 21, 2020 7:03:26 GMT We need to be realistic about the utility of anything that isnt guns or torpedoes. Theyre peripheral things with very limited desirabilty outside us grognards. Its the 12 y/o test. Does he/she care?

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M-Class light cruiser - München *Done* Dec 21, 2020 15:34:35 GMT

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Post by au64 on Dec 21, 2020 15:34:35 GMT

Dec 21, 2020 4:43:21 GMT weedsrock2 said:

Dec 20, 2020 23:35:05 GMT au64 said:

Well, I seem to be in a minority here. So while I disagree that the SA should include the "Cannot use Landing"... I'll go with the majority. I think it just doesn't serve the purpose that the SA should and becomes a waste of space.

Go with it. I've said my piece, it'll just stay in my binder instead of guarding my German Installations.

Why would making it less restrictive cause it to have less value?

Because it doesn't actually stop the loss of your opponent using a landing ability which can either be free Victory Points, or the possible destruction of your installation. Which at least to my mind is the purpose of an SA titled "Repel Landing". It just requires your opponent to move the unit (if possible)... which could still trigger the loss of VPs or the invasion of your installation.

Dec 21, 2020 7:03:26 GMT flakstruk said:

We need to be realistic about the utility of anything that isnt guns or torpedoes. Theyre peripheral things with very limited desirabilty outside us grognards.

Its the 12 y/o test. Does he/she care?

Wait... are you calling me a 12 y/o?

But yes, I'm looking at this unit's value as something outside just guns/torpedoes and the stat lines.

waratsea4 Forumini Lieutenant Posts: 839	M-Class light cruiser - München Done Dec 21, 2020 20:16:03 GMT au64 likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by waratsea4 on Dec 21, 2020 20:16:03 GMT Why can't you use Java's -- Disrupt Invasion ??

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M-Class light cruiser - München *Done* Dec 21, 2020 20:59:21 GMT via mobile

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Post by flakstruk on Dec 21, 2020 20:59:21 GMT

Invasion is rolled at end of turn. So once moved the unit can only use the ability if island adjacent. It should still be away from the installation, tje onus is on you to position munivh appropriately

au64 Deck E playtester Posts: 1,847	M-Class light cruiser - München Done Dec 21, 2020 21:59:04 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by au64 on Dec 21, 2020 21:59:04 GMT Dec 21, 2020 20:16:03 GMT waratsea4 said: Why can't you use Java's -- Disrupt Invasion ?? Ummm... because I completely forgot about this SA?!?! Hey guys... what WaratSea4 said, 100%!!!

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M-Class light cruiser - München *Done* Dec 21, 2020 22:27:11 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Dec 21, 2020 22:27:11 GMT

I agree. Good catch!

Disrupt Invasion - Once per game, when this unit attacks an enemy unit, you may declare that you're using Disrupt Invasion. If you do, your opponent can't benefit from that unit's Landing abilities this turn. (Java)

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M-Class light cruiser - München *Done* Jan 2, 2021 21:05:09 GMT

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Is this ready to go now?

München - "M"-class Light Cruiser
Year: 1941
Type: Cruiser
Cost: 12
Speed: 2
MG: 7/7/6/5
AA: 7
TT: 2/1
A/VA/HP: 3/9/3

SAs:

Sprint - Once per game, at the beginning of your Sea Movement step, you can declare you're using Sprint. If you do, roll a die. On a 4 or higher, this unit gets +1 speed this turn.
Raider - This unit rolls one extra attack die when making Gunnery attacks against Destroyers and Auxiliary units.
Disrupt Invasion - Once per game, when this unit attacks an enemy unit, you may declare that you're using Disrupt Invasion. If you do, your opponent can't benefit from that unit's Landing abilities this turn.

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au64 Deck E playtester Posts: 1,847	M-Class light cruiser - München Done Jan 4, 2021 15:56:01 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by au64 on Jan 4, 2021 15:56:01 GMT I'm good with it.

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M-Class light cruiser - München *Done* Jan 4, 2021 19:47:24 GMT

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Post by waratsea4 on Jan 4, 2021 19:47:24 GMT

A question on how this SA was written!!

Disrupt Invasion - Once per game, when this unit attacks an [ ENEMY UNIT] , you may declare that you're using Disrupt Invasion. If you do, your opponent can't benefit from [THAT UNIT'S] Landing abilities this turn.

The Capitalized words [Enemy Unit] and [That Unit's] i'm assuming are the same ship.

This may be not the worst written SA, but to me leaving any assumption in an SA is not good.

Last Edit: Jan 4, 2021 19:50:15 GMT by waratsea4

waratsea4 Forumini Lieutenant Posts: 839	M-Class light cruiser - München Done Jan 7, 2021 2:30:02 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by waratsea4 on Jan 7, 2021 2:30:02 GMT Just saying taking look back at Nurnberg and Leipzig 12 seems bit high. Range 1 torp and guns not as good SA's better, but is that worth a lesser ship plus 1 point

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M-Class light cruiser - München *Done* Jan 7, 2021 20:16:59 GMT via mobile

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Post by raevski on Jan 7, 2021 20:16:59 GMT

Jan 7, 2021 2:30:02 GMT waratsea4 said:

Just saying taking look back at Nurnberg and Leipzig 12 seems bit high.

Range 1 torp and guns not as good SA's better, but is that worth a lesser ship plus 1 point

True. 11 does seem more appropriate. 10 is probably too cheap.

Last Edit: Jan 7, 2021 20:22:51 GMT by raevski: Wrong info

mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,324	M-Class light cruiser - München Done Jan 8, 2021 4:37:35 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Jan 8, 2021 4:37:35 GMT Yeah, in-country it looks cheaper than otherwise. That just goes to fuel the “German Exception” theory.
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M-Class light cruiser - München *Done* Jan 8, 2021 23:52:58 GMT

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Post by waratsea4 on Jan 8, 2021 23:52:58 GMT

The proper words for War At Sea 12 pt. cruisers and their 1pt. neighbors is .

I think expansion should worry more about its Nations fellow ships than venturing out to compare it with others,

unless its just going to continue the mess; That's not the case here.

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M-Class light cruiser - München *Done*

Post by weedsrock2 on Dec 21, 2020 4:43:21 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Dec 21, 2020 7:03:26 GMT

Post by au64 on Dec 21, 2020 15:34:35 GMT

Post by waratsea4 on Dec 21, 2020 20:16:03 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Dec 21, 2020 20:59:21 GMT

Post by au64 on Dec 21, 2020 21:59:04 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Dec 21, 2020 22:27:11 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Jan 2, 2021 21:05:09 GMT

Post by au64 on Jan 4, 2021 15:56:01 GMT

Post by waratsea4 on Jan 4, 2021 19:47:24 GMT

Post by waratsea4 on Jan 7, 2021 2:30:02 GMT

Post by raevski on Jan 7, 2021 20:16:59 GMT

Post by mnnorthstars on Jan 8, 2021 4:37:35 GMT

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