Kaiho - Taiho Sister **DONE**

Reading whats been posted her;  stopping and putting all my marbles back in my head!!!

    If this is the proposed G-15 improved Taiho or so called sister;

 I found little on the internet and some my have better sources what what i found is;;

G-15's plans HAD 2 versions of G-15s

1st
"Theres some conflicting information on what was going on around then more or less you had a development line that was continuing what they had already designed
   that would have resulted in a improved Shōkaku and then what looks like a "Super Shōkaku"

Then you have the conversion plans for the Yamato-Shinano class; none of them resembled the Shinano that was actualy built

2nd  
Length: 261.5m
Beam: 28m
Draft: 9.0m
Displacement: 30,360t(or 30,600t)/35,300t(or 35,800t)
Propulsion: 160,000hp
Speed: 33knots
Complement: about 1,800
Aircraft carried: 60~70
Armament: 8 * 100 mm (3.9 in)/65 cal Type 98 anti-aircraft Naval guns, 22 * 25mm Type 96 DP gun(Triple Barrel)
Author said there are 5 Planned(#5021~#5025) ships and will be launched on 1947~48, but all of them cancelled on August, 1943. "

   NO TORPEDO DEFENSE


Then theres the "super Taihō" "
 A  Version on G-15 (W/ Torpedo Bulges, same length and improved anti-torpedo defenses)
"The Improved Taiho design was a slightly enlarged Taiho with better bulges and an extra lift. It also was designed to correct a few faults in the Taiho design that was found shortly after launch.

The changes were the following.

Increase of anti torpedo protection to withstand a 350kg charge instead of a 300kg charge and better stability.

Armored deck increased to 90-95mm with 35mm hanger sides to protect from near misses and to better protect the vessel from high level bombs and dive bombers from a 2500m dive. Waterline Belt armor at machinery increased from 55 to 70mm, magazines to remain the same at 152mm. Concrete filling around fuel tanks to be standard along with armored bulkheads.

Beam to be increased to 32m (this includes the larger bulge)
Length to remain the same
Tonnage at 31000t standard metric (29770 for original Taiho) THIS DOES SEEM LOW
Draught at 9m (9.6 for Taiho)
Speed was expected to drop possibly to 32.5 knots
Additional left between mid decks with only 2 going to top deck.
16x 100mm/65 AA guns and between 50-65 25mm guns in triple and dual mounts.

Aircraft number varied from 55-70 aircraft total.

Basically, it was a slightly modified Taiho class with some improvements in armor, armament, and design layout to iron out the design. "

    TORPEDO DESENSE   

Specifications

I will be using everyone's guess, So you may chose it's true form.

COMPARING THE TWO

Weight : 31,000 t standard (ver. 1)
+50,000 standard (ver. 2, i found one on japanese wiki)
Length : 261 m w/l, 283 m o/a (ver. 1)
288 m w/l, 310 m o/a (ver. 2)
Beam : 28 m w/l (Ver. 1)
32 m w/l(w/ bulge)(ver. 1 and 2)
Draft : 9-10 m(all versions)
Power : 160,000 shp
Propulsion : same as taiho
Speed : 33.3 kn
Range : 10,000 Nautical Miles at 18 knots
Heavy fuel oil : 5,700 tons
Crews : 1800

Armor
Belt : 185mm/7.2 in(info is a guess, also unknown but believed to be high)
stern side : 130 mm
Deck : 95 mm (minimum thickness)(flight deck)
50 mm(low deck)

Aircraft power
Carried : 60-80(by g-14/ taiho)
90-130(ver. 2)(planned for g-14 taiho but isn't capable, but this is more logical to be carried by a ver. 2 aircraft carrier)

 I BELIEVE YOU COULD GIVE THE PROPOSED UNIT; +1 armor 4 SA'S 3 EXPERTS AND VETERN BOMBERS AND CALL IT HISTORICAL

Please keep in mind that the Unryu class was to be a "simplified," and thus reduced capability carrier compared to the Hiryu's. And much less capable than the Shokaku/Zuikaku. The Unryu's were designed to be built quickly and cheaply. I don't know where people get the idea they were to be improved carrier designs other than they were later designs. However, the two Taiho "sisters" were to be slightly improved designs with just a few changes to fix some shortcomings. This was very commonly done by all navies when a design was approved to be repeated. One of those improvements was additional armor.

I know we all want this to be an "Essex killer," but there is only so far we can go without stretching belief IMO. I would like to have a very good late war IJN carrier that is not so fantastical that it won't be allowed in a lot of tournament play. Creating a unit that is frequently black-listed or banned accomplishes nothing for the game IMO.

Taiho-kai stats:
Expert dog
Expert torp or bomber (I could go either way)
Veteran bomber
Torpedo Defense 1

I believe your mistaken to think the Unryu's were not improvements over the Hiryu's as you say commonly done with Navies;

  I've written and disagreed over this before with you; I guess we see it different.

But I do agree no super carrier and if the team thinks Torpedo Defense is warranted Good; +1 to the Armor; Veteran Bomber; and 2 Experts make for a fine unit.

  My personal believe is ET and EB serve you better than EF and one of the others, either way it will be an interesting unit. Well done

Very well

I agree, all three make the cost of this unit too expensive. Also agree with EDF.

I just took a look and Taiho has Armored Deck 1 (we took care of that by bumping the armor value) and Expert Bomber. So Expert Dog and Expert Torpedo would be most complimentary. That said, I think this version of the "Taiho class" is going to be used a lot more than the original - and probably in pairs. So "complimentary" may only matter to the hard core "only one of a named ship per fleet" players.