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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,839	PBY-5A Canso DONE Sept 2, 2018 4:07:22 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Sept 2, 2018 4:07:22 GMT On reflection, it seems an odd thing for a permanently local attack. Not personally fussed, just making the observation

ticat1 Moderator "Ready, Aye, Ready" Posts: 1,363	PBY-5A Canso DONE Sept 3, 2018 19:56:24 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ticat1 on Sept 3, 2018 19:56:24 GMT Any preference making Drive Off Sub OPG or keep it permanent?
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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,839	PBY-5A Canso DONE Sept 4, 2018 0:29:50 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Sept 4, 2018 0:29:50 GMT Opg

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PBY-5A Canso *DONE* Sept 7, 2018 21:28:35 GMT

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Post by waratsea4 on Sept 7, 2018 21:28:35 GMT

Aug 31, 2018 23:25:19 GMT ticat1 said:

Canso

Aircraft – Patrol Bomber
1941
MG: -
Bomb: 5 (same as GST)
ASW: 3 (same as PBY)
A/VA/HP: 3/5/1

LOITER: Rearming counters aren't placed on this unit during the Air Return step.

LIGHT DEFENSIVE ARMAMENT: Whenever an enemy Fighter attacks this unit during the Air Defense phase, this unit gets +1 armor this turn.

DRIVE OFF SUB: At the end of the Air Attack phase, choose one Submarine this unit attacked this turn. The target must immediately move one sector away from this unit. If that movement isn't possible, you can't use this ability.DRIVE OFF SUB

DRIVE OFF SUB;

I like the premiss of the SA;; but wouldn't it be a better use of this unit to drive subs away from friendly ships;

seems unless I'm reading it wrong you could move a sub closer to a friendly unit.

Thoughts on OPG; without the SA its pretty much a ho hum unit so i think cost of the unit plays a big part on whether its applied or not.

Last Edit: Sept 7, 2018 21:29:42 GMT by waratsea4

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PBY-5A Canso *DONE* Oct 8, 2018 2:52:14 GMT

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Sept 7, 2018 21:28:35 GMT waratsea4 said:

Aug 31, 2018 23:25:19 GMT ticat1 said:

Canso

Aircraft – Patrol Bomber
1941
MG: -
Bomb: 5 (same as GST)
ASW: 3 (same as PBY)
A/VA/HP: 3/5/1

LOITER: Rearming counters aren't placed on this unit during the Air Return step.

LIGHT DEFENSIVE ARMAMENT: Whenever an enemy Fighter attacks this unit during the Air Defense phase, this unit gets +1 armor this turn.

DRIVE OFF SUB: At the end of the Air Attack phase, choose one Submarine this unit attacked this turn. The target must immediately move one sector away from this unit. If that movement isn't possible, you can't use this ability.DRIVE OFF SUB

What price are we thinking?

Last Edit: Oct 8, 2018 2:52:29 GMT by ticat1

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ticat1 Moderator "Ready, Aye, Ready" Posts: 1,363	PBY-5A Canso DONE Oct 23, 2018 22:25:32 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ticat1 on Oct 23, 2018 22:25:32 GMT I think 7
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firesdstny Deck E developer Posts: 1,419	PBY-5A Canso DONE Oct 24, 2018 5:16:53 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by firesdstny on Oct 24, 2018 5:16:53 GMT 7 seems right.

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PBY-5A Canso *DONE* Mar 6, 2019 1:10:47 GMT

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Post by ticat1 on Mar 6, 2019 1:10:47 GMT

Here's what was said

DRIVE OFF SUB: Once per game, at the end of the Air Attack phase, choose one Submarine this unit attacked this turn. The target must immediately move one sector towards your opponent's ship deployment area. If that movement isn't possible, you can't use this ability.

As worded, this would affect the first sub you attacked each game. I think the wording you are looking for is:

DRIVE OFF SUB: Once per game you may, at the end of the Air Attack phase,you may choose a Submarine this unit attacked this turn. The target must immediately move one sector towards your opponent's ship deployment area. If that movement isn't possible, you can't use this ability.

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PBY-5A Canso *DONE* Mar 6, 2019 1:12:34 GMT

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Post by ticat1 on Mar 6, 2019 1:12:34 GMT

How are we feeling about this, then?

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Canso

Aircraft – Patrol Bomber
1941
Cost: 7
MG: -
Bomb: 5 (same as GST)
ASW: 3 (same as PBY)
A/VA/HP: 3/5/1

LOITER: Rearming counters aren't placed on this unit during the Air Return step.

LIGHT DEFENSIVE ARMAMENT: Whenever an enemy Fighter attacks this unit during the Air Defense phase, this unit gets +1 armor this turn.

DRIVE OFF SUB: At the end of the Air Attack phase, you may choose one Submarine this unit attacked this turn. The target must immediately move one sector away from this unit. If that movement isn't possible, you can't use this ability.

Last Edit: Mar 6, 2019 1:14:13 GMT by ticat1

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SWO_Daddy Deck E developer Posts: 6,016	PBY-5A Canso DONE Mar 6, 2019 14:01:34 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by SWO_Daddy on Mar 6, 2019 14:01:34 GMT I think the movement should be toward the enemy deployment area as Ticat mentioned above.
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PBY-5A Canso *DONE* Mar 6, 2019 15:38:16 GMT via mobile

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Post by ticat1 on Mar 6, 2019 15:38:16 GMT

So this?

DRIVE OFF SUB: At the end of the Air Attack phase, you may choose one Submarine this unit attacked this turn. The target must immediately move one sector towards its controller's ship deployment area. If that movement isn't possible, you can't use this ability.

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PBY-5A Canso *DONE* Mar 14, 2019 6:33:19 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Mar 14, 2019 6:33:19 GMT

Keep in mind that subs only have a speed of 1. So Drive off Sub is a pretty powerful SA. OPG at least IMO.

Allowing it to give a Speed 1 boost (or move 1 sector away from the nearest enemy sub) to an Auxiliary probably makes more sense (rerouting a convoy essentially), although certainly not as useful.

These were big time sub killers and that is mainly what the RCN was about.

Rather than requiring it to attack a sub. How about this?

Reroute Convoy - At the end of the Surface Attack phase, choose one friendly Auxiliary unit within range 2 of this unit. If movement is possible, that Auxiliary may move one sector away from the nearest enemy submarine.

or

Suppress Subs - Once per game, at the end of the second player's Air Attack step, you may place this unit in an adjacent sector that contains an enemy Submarine and make an immediate ASW attack, hitting on a 5 or higher only.

I think I like Suppressed Subs.

Last Edit: Mar 14, 2019 6:41:48 GMT by weedsrock2

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ticat1 Moderator "Ready, Aye, Ready" Posts: 1,363	PBY-5A Canso DONE Mar 14, 2019 14:51:21 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ticat1 on Mar 14, 2019 14:51:21 GMT Reroute Convoy would pretty much put this in the box, never to be seen. Suppress Sub is cool, cause it would allow for possibly dinging two subs on one turn. I can get behind this as much as Drive Off Sub
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PBY-5A Canso *DONE* Mar 14, 2019 17:21:50 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Mar 14, 2019 17:21:50 GMT

Mar 14, 2019 14:51:21 GMT ticat1 said:

Reroute Convoy would pretty much put this in the box, never to be seen.

Suppress Sub is cool, cause it would allow for possibly dinging two subs on one turn. I can get behind this as much as Drive Off Sub

I agree.

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PBY-5A Canso *DONE* Mar 19, 2019 14:44:34 GMT

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Post by au64 on Mar 19, 2019 14:44:34 GMT

So we are looking at this as a proposal:

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Canso

Aircraft – Patrol Bomber
1941
Cost: 7
Bomb: 5
ASW: 3
A/VA/HP: 3/5/1

LOITER: Rearming counters aren't placed on this unit during the Air Return step.

LIGHT DEFENSIVE ARMAMENT: Whenever an enemy Fighter attacks this unit during the Air Defense phase, this unit gets +1 armor this turn.

SUPPRESS SUB - Once per game, at the end of the second player's Air Attack step, you may place this unit in an adjacent sector that contains an enemy Submarine and make an immediate ASW attack, hitting on a 5 or higher only.
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