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Jan 6, 2018 10:02:12 GMT flakstruk said:

Jan 6, 2018 7:36:22 GMT squint181 said:

Not against the ABC nations, but I think we are forgetting a major combatant of the war that has yet to be represented. While most of it wasn't all that flashy and sunk by 1937, China did have a navy. No need for more than a few cards, but could bring them on par with Siam. Black Sheep Squadron Card would be cool as well. Just my thought, before we start bringing in every non combatant nation, maybe for a few cards for a country that was at war for almost ten years. My two cents.

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2 Cruisers- Derived from the Yubari
1 Training Cruiser from the same program as Elli
A squadron of 300 patrol ships and some MTB's
Some Armed merchant-gunboats that operated seaplanes

If we do that can we have the Manchuko navy as well?

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(Unnofficial) Next Deck Jan 8, 2018 0:53:16 GMT

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Jan 6, 2018 5:25:51 GMT flakstruk said:

Jan 5, 2018 15:05:51 GMT admiraltee said:

The South American triumvirate of "superpowers" was a hot bed of military build up and diplomatic tension for decades. It's as valid to include this "what if?" smaller theatre of war as it is to include any number of "paper only" ships.

Or we can have a 5th Fletcher variant, a 4th Zero variant, another Iowa variant, a Siam fishing boat and a US jet. <note numbers are not accurate>

Tee

You points were definately raised during the set composition discussion Tee. And other options as well. There are simply never enough sets to do the things we want to everyones satisfaction.

I'm talking about the next hypothetical set list.
I wasn't aware the next hypothetical set list had reached serious composition discussion.

Tee

flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,816	(Unnofficial) Next Deck Jan 8, 2018 4:02:56 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Jan 8, 2018 4:02:56 GMT It hasnt. I might have missed your meaning. Sorry

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Jan 7, 2018 23:18:09 GMT raevski said:

Jan 6, 2018 10:02:12 GMT flakstruk said:

Navypedia lists
2 Cruisers- Derived from the Yubari
1 Training Cruiser from the same program as Elli
A squadron of 300 patrol ships and some MTB's
Some Armed merchant-gunboats that operated seaplanes

If we do that can we have the Manchuko navy as well?

Yeah, if they were sunk in world war two we probably should make cards for them. The Chinese are an overlooked combatant IMO as well.

Not saying we can't include another Essex class ship and a boat Hitler's friend from high school drew a picture of over lunch mind you.

My "vote" now goes to

1. Get every navy which had a ship sunk in the war respresented. Give them an air unit or two also if they had em.

2. Get every class we don't have represented

3. Operational varients of existing ships

4. Fantasy ships

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(Unnofficial) Next Deck Jan 8, 2018 15:43:31 GMT

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Post by flakstruk on Jan 8, 2018 15:43:31 GMT

Im not sure if thats practical though.the entire persian/iranian fleet got taken out by like a sackville. The luftwaffe sank a ship of the line in 1940 (hms wellsely iirc)

Whats the cut off for a class that isnt represented? Fishing and custom cutters? Vessels built to serve on inland waterways?

Each unit has to stand on its merits. It when we have to conjure utility that we get into trouble. Most of the fantasy ships we have are realatively tame in stats-abilities-cost. Especially when 'historical' units are stretched to the limit on a single instance in a whole long career of doing nothing

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raevski Administrator Cooking with gas Posts: 1,610	(Unnofficial) Next Deck Jan 9, 2018 1:56:24 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by raevski on Jan 9, 2018 1:56:24 GMT HMAS Yarra was one of the ships that sank the Persian navy. 2xBabr class sloops speed1 Hull 2 4x gunboats speed 1 Hull 1 The airforce was Gawker Hart bomber 3 6 1 bomb 5? And Gawker Hind fighte 3 6 1 AA5

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Jan 9, 2018 1:56:24 GMT raevski said:

HMAS Yarra was one of the ships that sank the Persian navy.
2xBabr class sloops speed1 Hull 2
4x gunboats speed 1 Hull 1
The airforce was
Gawker Hart bomber
3 6 1 bomb 5?
And
Gawker Hind fighte
3 6 1 AA5

Thanks,

To me what that says,is that a sister ship to Hms Swale overwhelmed that entire force.

On a practical power scales we are talking about, HMS Swale represent 100+ ships in half a dozen navies because its to weak to use out of scenarios and never had a sister done.

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Post by flakstruk on Jan 10, 2018 4:51:31 GMT

Noting that the RAN did not get a card in the current deck. Im suggesting this,

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin-class_submarine

They were designed for australian specifications, only returned because australia was unable to maintain them during the great depression.

The stumbling block is that they were transferred back to the RN and all saw war service. Ive identified 2 ways around this

1. HMAS Oxley- initally serving with the RAN she transferred back to the RN. When war was declared, she was ordered to establish a picket line of norway with her squadron. Having never seen the enemy, she was sunk by hms triton 5 weeks later.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Oxley

2. o-1 RAN designation, leaving the named hms odin as a seperate unit, o-1 would fit with previous RAN submarinea AE-1&2,J1>6 which were ww1 classes.

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Post by ticat1 on Jan 16, 2018 2:41:03 GMT

Going along with the idea of a new deck, I like Weeds' a lot. But of course, there are tweaks I'd make. Not all reprints in mine. Changes in bold.

Made a few changes, after conferring with colleagues.

Australia

1. HMAS Hobart - CL - (Sydney reprint)
2. HMAS Warramunga - Tribal class DD (Arunta/Haida/Cossack reprint)

Argentina

3. ARA Rivadavia – Rivadavia Class Battleship
4. ARA La Argentina – La Argentina Class Cruiser

Canada

5. Consolidated B-24 Liberator
6. HMCS Athabaskan - Tribal class DD (Arunta/Haida/Cossack reprint)
7. HMCS St. Clair - Town/Clemson class (Edsall reprint)

Chile

8. Almirante Latorre – Almirante Latorre Class Battleship
9. Hyatt – Serrano Class Destroyer

China

10. Ning Hai- Ning Hai class Light Cruiser

France

11. Loire-Nieuport LN.401 Dive Bomber
12. Primauguet CL (La Motte Picquet reprint)
13. Albatros or Epervier - Aigle class DD (Milan reprint)
14. Promethee sub ( Casabianca reprint)
15. Foch or Colbert CA - Suffren sister

United Kingdom

16. FAA Corsair - fighter
17. FAA Tarpon - Avenger Torpedo Bomber, FAA Corsair - fighter
18. HMS Hotspur - H class (Vasilissa Olga/ZG3 reprint)
19. HMS Jervis - J class or HMS Kelly - K class DD (Javelin/Van Galen/Nizam reprint)
20. HMS Howe - King George V class (KGV/Prince of Wales reprint)
21. HMS Revenge - Revenge class (Royal Oak/Arkhangelisk reprint)
22. HMS Indomitable - Indomitable class - (Illustrious reprint)
23. HMS Biter- Avenger Class Escort Carrier (Fencer Reprint)
24. HMS Sunflower or HMS Godetia - Flower class corvette (Sackville reprint)
25. HMS Adventure- Mine Laying Cruiser
26. HMS Southampton/Glasgow CL - Southhampton class (Sheffield reprint)

United States

27. F6F-5 Hellcat - Fighter-bomber (F6F-3 reprint)
28. S-44 - S-class sub - (S-37 reprint)
29. SS. Stephen Hopkins - Liberty Ship (Jeremiah O'Brien reprint)
30. USS Card or USS Liscombe Bay - CVE (St.Lo, Fencer, Guadalcanal reprint)
31. USS Indiana BB - (Massachusetts reprint)
32. USS Tang - Balao class, or USS Harder - Gato class sub (Barb/Archerfish reprint)
33. USS Minneapolis CA - New Orleans class (San Francisco reprint)
34. USS Pittsburgh CA - Baltimore class (Baltimore/Quincy reprint)
35. USS Guam - Alaska class CA
36. USS Pringle – Fletcher Class DD (With ASW Scout Plane)
37. USS Ticonderoga or USS Franklin CV - Essex class - (Intrepid/Essex reprint)
38. USS Patterson/Blue/Ralph Talbot DD - Bagley class - (Bagley reprint)

Soviet Union

39. Murmansk - Omaha class CL (Richmond reprint)
40. Douglas A-20 Havoc Lend Lease - bomber
41. P-40 Lend Lease - fighter
42. S-101, S-56, or S-7 - S-class sub ( S-13 repint)
43. Gnevnyi DD - (Gromkiy reprint)

Finland

44. Vesihiisi - sub (similar to German Type VII - U-47/552 reprint)

Germany

45. Altmark/Uckermark - auxiliary supply ship (Nordmark reprint)
46. Arado 196 – Reconnaissence Floatplane
47. Hindenburg - H-40 BB (FdG sister)
48. U-96, U-377 or U-995 - Type VIIC or U-77 or U-99 Type VIIB U-boat - (U-47/552 reprint)
49. Z9 Wolfgang Zenker or Z12 Erich Giese - 1934A type DD (Karl Gaster/Hans Ludemann reprint)
50. Z36 - 1936B type DD - (Z32 reprint)
51. Todt Batterie – Atlantic Wall Installation

Italy

52 Antoniotto Usodimare -Navigatore class (Luca Tarigo/Ugolino Vivaldi reprint)
53. Artiglieri - Soldati class DD - (Ascari/Camicia Nere reprint)
54. Attilio Regolo - Capitani Romani class CL (Capitani Romani reprint)
55. Bartolomeo Colleoni - Guissano class CL - (Giovanni delle Bande Nere reprint)
56. SM.79 II or III (SM .79 reprint)
57. Guglielmo Marconi - Marconi class sub (Leonardo da Vinci reprint)

Japan

58. Amatsukaze or Arashi - Kagero class DD (Yukikaze etc reprint)
59. Ashigara - CA (Myoko/Nachi/Haguro reprint)
60. Chokai CA (Atago reprint)
61. I-58 submarine (I-19/I-25/I-26 reprint)
62. Kako CA (Furutaka reprint)
63. B6N1 “Jill” torpedo bomber (B6N2 reprint)
64. Noshiro - Agano class CL (Agano/Yahagi reprint)
65. Kii - #111 4th Yamato class BB (30% completed) (Yamato/Musashi reprint)
66. Taiho-Kai (planned) sister - CV (Taiho reprint)
67. Take - Matsu class DD (Matsu reprint)

Thailand

68. CMB6-9 - Thornycroft MTBs (Vospers MTB reprint)

Spain

69. Bf-109 E/F/G - fighter (Bf-109 reprint)

Sweden

70. Stockholm, Malmo - Goteborg class DD (Goteborg reprint)

Last Edit: Jan 21, 2018 1:50:18 GMT by ticat1

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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,816	(Unnofficial) Next Deck Jan 16, 2018 11:54:30 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Jan 16, 2018 11:54:30 GMT Italy should get get either an operation variant of one of her BB or the Ciano class cruiser. 2 very weak crusiers is 1 to many. Id drop china and 1 canada slot to give argentina and chile the standard introductory 3.

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