HMS Royalist was a Bellona-class (improved Dido-class) light cruiser of the Royal Navy (RN) during the Second World War.
After commissioning in 1943, Royalist was modified with extra facilities and crew for operating as a flagship for aircraft carrier operations. Initially, it operated in the North Sea before transferring to the Mediterranean for the invasion of southern France. Royalist remained in the Mediterranean for actions against German forces in the Aegean to the end of 1944. Then it moved to the Far East in February 1945 where it served until the end of the war with the 21st Aircraft Carrier Squadron as flagship, supporting the Rangoon landings of Operation Dracula.
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I personally would rather have a second Collona than a 5th Littorio class for the Italians. The overall stats for the Littorios are not great overall. With the UK getting a super BB, the Germans getting a second Super BB, the US having 4 iowas and a Montana, and the IJN getting a 4th Yammie to go with Tsushima, a 5th battleship with a 15/15/13/11 main gun line doesn't really do anything. Being able to play with 2 Collona Class will at least go in the right direction of improving their capabilites. Would make the IT navy have 2 good Heavy BB (Collona) and 4 Not so good ones (Littorio) to go with 5 decentish "Battlecruisers"...
Just my 2 cents here....
Last Edit: Jan 21, 2024 9:24:16 GMT by texasarcher
What bothers me is the Collona wasn't ever really considered for building and the Littorios as built post-date the design such as it is.
What i could find suggested that a 3rd Littorio pair would have a DP secondary armament, Impero's better vital. The other factor is that it would make littorios would then be class unlimited. Less important than forvsay cruisers but something only the brits currently can claim.
What bothers me is the Collona wasn't ever really considered for building and the Littorios as built post-date the design such as it is.
What i could find suggested that a 3rd Littorio pair would have a DP secondary armament, Impero's better vital. The other factor is that it would make littorios would then be class unlimited. Less important than forvsay cruisers but something only the brits currently can claim.
I guess but even in a bigger battle, they just aren't good enough to be spammable, and to me that defeats the purpose of making them unlimited IMO... adding a Gotland helps, but that's 10 points you could use somewhere else....
Also question for Finland...we are giving them an Ex British DD that struck a mine and sunk in 1919, then given to Finland and they couldn't salvage it?? If we are going back that far, can the Aussies get the Australia Battlecruiser instead of a worn out sub that would never get used and be a guaranteed wasted slot?
I think i suggested them with RFC earlier in the thread. Its the a best choice from bad options sort of thing. Given the high velocity of rpunds they could probably sneak Battleship killer and RFC both
Yep, the only other destroyer option is 1913M class iirc. That were on offer until the washington treaty forbade selling used warships
The K9 isn't my preference by a long shot for a sub. The O-Class were built to RAN specifications but sold back to the RN interwar. But because the k9 existed in wartime, its preferred by some. But yes, ypu could do HMAS Australia 1, but outside throw weight and hull point its hardly better than the counties. Subs are more flexible in a fleet build sense i my opinion.
I think i suggested them with RFC earlier in the thread. Its the a best choice from bad options sort of thing. Given the high velocity of rpunds they could probably sneak Battleship killer and RFC both
Yep, the only other destroyer option is 1913M class iirc. That were on offer until the washington treaty forbade selling used warships
The K9 isn't my preference by a long shot for a sub. The O-Class were built to RAN specifications but sold back to the RN interwar. But because the k9 existed in wartime, its preferred by some. But yes, ypu could do HMAS Australia 1, but outside throw weight and hull point its hardly better than the counties. Subs are more flexible in a fleet build sense i my opinion.
Subs are definately more flexible, but the K9 is a wasted slot I think. As for Australia, she would actually fill a decent niche. I see her along the lines if this:
Points in the low to mid 20's
Main guns at 11/10/10/9 Secondaries at 5/5/4 Range 0 torp attack at 1 AA 6 or 7 depending on how updated you want to make her..
Armor 5/6 Vital 11 Hull 4
Add SA's
I think this would be very useful as a super heavy cruiser that would have a good chance to Vital cruisers in game and could damage lighter Battleships. She wouldn't have ER4, so she would play like a cruiser. The one thing that shines in her favor, and can't really be overlooked is that against her natural foe, the IJN, she can survive a hit from a Long Lance, and that in of itself is a very useful ability...IMO, if you want to use submarines with the Aussies, use HMS Upholder or HMS Triton...
Also think of it this way for HMAS Australia 1, if the enemy sends air assets to try to take it out than you are already winning the game because those planes wlare not going after the more important targets. Also, most players tend to target the most dangerous unit and higher point unit to knock it off the board. If there is Australia 1, 2 HMAS Shropshire and an HMS Kent all in range of a bunch of cruisers, what gets targeted first? The more torps that go towards Australia, the more of your normal Hull 3 cruisers survive to fight another round and pound the opponent. She is almost like an Aussie version of Chiyoda, decoy is already built in....
The more I talk about it, the more it shows me that it makes SOOOO much sense for her to be in the game...đ
Last Edit: Jan 25, 2024 11:05:31 GMT by texasarcher
You could very easily substitute BPF or US battleships too though. I don't disagree its viable ship though. A sub is just going to be usable for more fleet types and because of the rules. Subs are the best ASW platforms in the game
IMO, given the choice between a class 1 worn out boat sub and a class 1 viable Aussie capital ship, I would go with the Australia 1, and I feel like I wouldn't be alone. đ
IMO, given the choice between a class 1 worn out boat sub and a class 1 viable Aussie capital ship, I would go with the Australia 1, and I feel like I wouldn't be alone. đ
Agree.
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Flak, if we do grab a few things from the earlier Era, one thing that I think would benefit Germany would be the G-101 Torpedo Boat. A class of 4 that are 1700 tons, so very large for the time. Would be a good addition to help flesh them out...
Last Edit: Jan 26, 2024 3:57:34 GMT by texasarcher
Yes, though Capital is an ambitious label in the game context and doesn't address the fleet type point.
Adding Australia ii duplicates existimg capability. Sub's, either K9 or O-Class, add a new capability, so a players build isnt so predicable and an opponent needs to consider a broader range of threats
Flak, if we do grab a few things from the earlier Era, one thing that I think would benefit Germany would be the G-101 Torpedo Boat. A class of 4 that are 1700 tons, so very large for the time. Would be a good addition to help flesh them out...
I'm confused why the KM need fleshing out. They have as many current cards for destroyers as the finns have in total.
Yes, though Capital is an ambitious label in the game context and doesn't address the fleet type point.
Adding Australia ii duplicates existimg capability. Sub's, either K9 or O-Class, add a new capability, so a players build isnt so predicable and an opponent needs to consider a broader range of threats
Well, why not both the Australia 1 AND the O Class. If we are doing like the last card set where we aren't printing out cards, just making them for people to print them out themselves, it should be ok. Is it 2 cards per page or 4? Either way, we up the number to 74 or 76, which would also allow us to add a few other fun things to the smaller navies...đ
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Last Edit: Jan 26, 2024 5:19:15 GMT by texasarcher