Snap! I'm always compiling the next set in my head. I can come back to this but quickly:
Some important historical's for the allies still lacking, the UK was hit here for sure this deck with the 'starter' constraints. More stuff cruiser size and below, not a fan of doing large BBs/Carriers just for the sake of it. These options are naturally going to get more obscure whilst smaller stuff more deserving are still not making an appearance. Same with aircraft, I just don't see the point of keeping up the same ratio as early sets for the sake of it. I'd be interested to know what the aircraft ratio is for the last couple of sets but it still seems high.
UK/Comm: Starling, Oakville, Yarra, Keppel, Onslow, Lookout, Ursula, Seraph, Trenchant, Scylla, Cairo/Coventry, Palomares, Springbank, Empire Mcalpine, Prince Henry, Audacity, Tracker, Abercrombie/Erebus, G3?, Anson, Whitley US: Augusta, Pope, Sealion, Curtis, S Hopkins, Invader? Fra: Jules Verne, Pollux, Minerve, Simoun, Valmy, Ita: Olterra, E Tazzoli, Euterpe/Gabbiano, San Marco, U Traiano, Etna, The Italian seaplane type weeds posted about... Ger: Widder, Mowe, U Boat?, Moltke Sister? Jap: Kasumi, Tatsuta, Kashima, Amagi (C), Ki-21 "Sally", Small/unique escort type? Pol: Slazak Sov: L class sub, Butakov?
Snap! I'm always compiling the next set in my head. I can come back to this but quickly:
Some important historical's for the allies still lacking, the UK was hit here for sure this deck with the 'starter' constraints. More stuff cruiser size and below, not a fan of doing large BBs/Carriers just for the sake of it. These options are naturally going to get more obscure whilst smaller stuff more deserving are still not making an appearance. Same with aircraft, I just don't see the point of keeping up the same ratio as early sets for the sake of it. I'd be interested to know what the aircraft ratio is for the last couple of sets but it still seems high.
UK/Comm: Starling, Oakville, Yarra, Keppel, Onslow, Lookout, Ursula, Seraph, Trenchant, Scylla, Cairo/Coventry, Palomares, Springbank, Empire Mcalpine, Prince Henry, Audacity, Tracker, Abercrombie/Erebus, G3?, Anson, Whitley US: Augusta, Pope, Sealion, Curtis, S Hopkins, Invader? Fra: Jules Verne, Pollux, Minerve, Simoun, Valmy, Ita: Olterra, E Tazzoli, Euterpe/Gabbiano, San Marco, U Traiano, Etna, The Italian seaplane type weeds posted about... Ger: Widder, Mowe, U Boat?, Moltke Sister? Jap: Kasumi, Tatsuta, Kashima, Amagi (C), Ki-21 "Sally", Small/unique escort type? Pol: Slazak Sov: L class sub, Butakov?
I would just suggest rather than a laundry list of names, a name an a reason your suggesting it.
Hmcs petrolia is perfect example, it had a lot of name recognition on the forum, but didnt actually do anything exciting
In the last set we have the admiral cards, maybe we could build on that idea of supplemental cards with some additional weather effect cards?
We already have daytime/darkness, fog, squalls and smoke. A few that come to mind are;
Snow flurries - maybe a roll to determine if it has any visibility impact Cloud cover / cloud bank - hamper aircraft spotting Heavy swells - produce a slow roll for smaller vessels, maybe impact carrier launches Storm - could force a diversion or lateral ship movement, then you have the severe storms like hurricanes, typhoons and cyclones. Maybe it could also reduce submarine attack dice by 1?
Warships generally function well but weather could have some impacts.
For the spaniards, Nadir is a interesting option. Virtually an atlantis, if a bit smaller. Despite the efforts of a couple of british fishing smacks, she sank a republican transport in the north sea.
In the last set we have the admiral cards, maybe we could build on that idea of supplemental cards with some additional weather effect cards?
We already have daytime/darkness, fog, squalls and smoke. A few that come to mind are;
Snow flurries - maybe a roll to determine if it has any visibility impact Cloud cover / cloud bank - hamper aircraft spotting Heavy swells - produce a slow roll for smaller vessels, maybe impact carrier launches Storm - could force a diversion or lateral ship movement, then you have the severe storms like hurricanes, typhoons and cyclones. Maybe it could also reduce submarine attack dice by 1?
Warships generally function well but weather could have some impacts.
Weather specifically stretches things beyond what i'd personally be comfortable with.
Scenario's would be right on the cusp i think. Expand on the 4 in the rulebook with some tight new game setups. Where a storm is one could work in that way though
Ooh, ooh. So I have been tickering on this list since before Covid. Some units I made up are already included in the current Deck G
Its great list but reality is lots of these unit would be directly competing for the same slot. Ie, 4 interwar british alphabet class destroyers are not going to pass muster.
Brazil -Parnaiba (river monitors, still in service iirc) -Aníbal Benévolo
Canada -HMCS Oakville - Ram
-HMCS Vancouver - Sub Hunter
-SS Avondale Park - Vital Cargo 6 (last ship sunk by germany before surrender)
-HMCS Iroquois - Raider
France -Large Unit; Bearn Auxiliary or Normandie Auxiliary -Cruiser; Foch, Marseillaise - Vital Cargo 6/Cruiser Leader
-Bouclier
Greece -destroyer; Vasilefs Georgios(zg1)
Netherlands Cruiser; Minelayer Prins van Oranje
New Zealand
Norway -Svenner
Poland -ORP Wilk
UK -Battleship; HMS Royal Sovereign, HMS Howe -Carrier;HMS Battler, HMS Courageous -Historical Interest Unit? HMS Albatross, HMS Maidstone, RFA Bishopdale -Carrier Aircraft; hellcat -Aircraft; Fortress Mk I, -Heavy Cruiser; HMS Cumberland -Light Cruiser; HMS Scylla, HMS Liverpool, HMS Welshman -Modern DD; HMS Eskimo, HMS Porcupine -Interwar/Escort Destroyer; HMS Foresight, HMS Ardent, HMS Juno, HMS Basilisk, HMS Starling -Sub
US
Battleship; USS Louisiana Carrier; CV10 Yorktown, USS Kitkun Bay
Historical Interest Unit, USS Casa Grande, USS Yosemite
Carrier Aircraft? Aircraft Cruisers; USS Augusta, USS Miami, USS Nashville Modern DD; Lansdowne Old DD or Escort Aux; USCGS Eastwind?, USS Upshur, USS Ruben James, USS Clark Sub; USS Bullhead
SU Large unit/cruiser; icebreaker yermak? Aircraft Installation? ---------‐‐-----------------------, FI Destroyer (Vittoria)
GE Large Unit Togo? Aircraft
37.Lutzow* - Bad Weather Fighter/Radar Fire Control
38.U 107 Type IXB - Wolfpack/Slip Away/Torpedo Swarm
39.*U 221 Type VIIC - Wolfpack/Landing Ship Killer
40.U 177 Type IXD2 - Crash Dive/Main Gun
41.* U 123 Type IXB - Crash Dive
42.*FW 190 A8 - Advanced Fighter/Ace
44.Do 18D - Rescue/Skilled Search
45.*Widder - Long Cruise/ Disguise/Repair/Engage Sub
For turkey, the battleship that the RN siezed that's ofted cited as a main reason for turning to germany side in ww1 - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Erin
Ooh, ooh. So I have been tickering on this list since before Covid. Some units I made up are already included in the current Deck G
Its great list but reality is lots of these unit would be directly competing for the same slot. Ie, 4 interwar british alphabet class destroyers are not going to pass muster.
Of course. Only one inter-war destroyer or two could possibly make into a "Deck H". A lot of these reprints were in mind when Brigman and SWO were making their deck and saying they had run out of ideas. I thought. What if a deck can be made using just 100% reprints or near 100%. That way no need to figure out attack values. Just discuss what kind of Special Abilities and cost.
NZ- need a DD. arabutus (flower) NZ - Corsair ( met a kiwi pilot of these back in 2000 Romania - second aviation crusier project Romania - Regale Ferdinand flag did Japan Ha wei DD was flag of Manchukuo navy
I just used a quick list I've got before and won't breakdown reasons for every unit at this stage, but I think Augusta is generally regarded as overdue for it's 'historical' career and in hindsight we should have done than before Chicago. Sealion was the only only allied submarine to sink a BB(Kongo), so you've got a niche with that. Pope for a solid reprint of Edsall, good history and for these early pacific ABDA battles. Curtis to give the US a sub tender, whilst something like Stephen Hopkins would give a fighting liberty, for it's slug fest and sinking of a raider. I know it's unlikely but a US specific Fort Drum card with one or two SAs would be good completion. I can understand why it was generic when it was originally done but we've done German specifics etc. and a mini is already available.
For the french, Jules Verne gives a tender, Pollux is a mine layer, Minerve is probably the best sub option for its several actual deployments. Simoun & Valmy have good active histories too. Italians, Olterra is historically significant and would give fun option for the SAs. Sub E Tazzoli actually sunk quite a few ships, whilst not many of the other sub options did a lot - one shot wonders at best. Euterpe & Gabbiano had active careers, involved in sinking at least Sahib & Saracen off the top of my head. San Marco would give a good sized reprint (S Giorgio), when their larger options are becoming less. For the Germans still some good raiders and plenty of the smaller escort type stuff (Mowe etc.). Again a Moltke sister could give a large reprint when their options are less. Japan, DD Kasumi was busy and managed to survive right up until the Yamato sortie. Tatsuta, Kashima etc. give cruisers that still don't have cards anywhere. Carrier Amagi would a give a large unit and a sculpt already available. Struggling for the Soviets but the L class sub seems standout. Slazak for the Poles is a good option.
Now for the UK & Commonwealth. Just picking up on what TrickiVic has been mentioning about the ABC destroyers, there are indeed plenty of good choices with excellent records still to be had. These decisions are going to come down solid sister reprints and/or still unrepresented construction. Just on the former (not included tribals, JKN as we've just got some) Eclipse was considered one of the best ships in the fleet and was constantly shifted from one hot spot to another, ranging from the arctic to the Aegean, where it was lost in tragic circumstances. Again Echo was known for nearly always being at sea, without much respite but survived. Forseight with Forester both took part in the hard fought running fights in the Arctic during the 'Edingburgh' saga. Lookout gives a standard fit L with a good history. Onslow for the O's would give a strong SA suite for the Barents battle. Keppel was a very important unit unit in the Russian & atlantic convoy war sinking five u-boats out right with two 'shares' - Also Jackie Brooms commanded for a period as it was a leader - PQ17 etc. I did have Vanoc down for a good representative of the V&W for it's part in the epic running fight with Kreschmer & Schepke and the famous ramming/sinking of the latter, but this could overlap with a potential Oakville with ram and also we've just done Crocus with the same. Wanderer was the most successful V&W, taking part in five u boat sinkings, but I would pick Keppel first. Again a black swan class is well overdue and Starling is infamous, taking part in fourteen u boat kills... Yarra was in the vote previous and would give a decent alternative to another RAN destroyer.
Cruiser wise, now well and truly stocked for counties. Glasgow is solid but we've just had a town. The dido's are still under represented with good choices. Scylla is good for its roles as D Day headquarters and arctic convoys flagship. Did some good service protecting the latter, in driving aircraft off multiple times. Charging all out, with ensigns flying... including I think in the same well known action as Wainright. It's a pity Spartan didn't last long, if only for the name! Cairo/Coventry we've discussed before for their busy histories. Palomares is similar being an AA ship, although being a convversion she would get in as an auxiliary. Something like Empire Mcalpine & Springbank would give an Aux a bit different with aircraft capabilities, something the UK needs from it's current stock. Wouldn't go against a tender like Maidstone either. Tracker would give a quick reprint of Fencer for a carrier and another option. Audacity is important historically but no sculpt. G3 is the 'other' one. Anson/Whitley for a cheap early war two engine PB harasser.
Subs: Well I say give the UK two! to make up ground in this department (for reasons I've mentioned previously). Slot 1: Either a second S or U. Both Seraph & Ursula have great histories and are well known for different reasons. Slot 2: Trenchant is the one T left we have to definitely get in at some stage and with a very strong SA suite. Then on the other side of the scale, we still have plenty of the pre-war class types undone. The O/P/R class in particular. They were sacrificed to a great extent during the first couple of years particularly in the Med which they were not designed and too 'big' for. A negative SA wouldn't worry me either (worn out boat or something for their size?) to at least get them in. Parthian & Proteus would seem the best options. The latter probably sunk more tonnage and was known as the 'tin opener' for an incident with an Italian torpedo boat but the former did sink two Italian subs amongst other things and was class leader.
My personal breakdown on the UK slots ideally would be:
BB/CV Cruiser Cruiser/CVE/Mon DD Newer DD Older Escort/small ship Aircraft Auxiliary Sub Sub
Would happily forgo not having both a BB and fleet carrier and then two aircraft again, just for the sake of it at this stage.
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UK -Battleship; HMS Royal Sovereign, HMS Howe -Carrier;HMS Battler, HMS Courageous, hms tracker, hms audacity -Historical Interest Unit? HMS Albatross, palomares, HMS Maidstone, RFA Bishopdale, ss springbank, ss empire macalpine, -Carrier Aircraft; hellcat -Aircraft; Fortress Mk I, avro anson, whitley -Heavy Cruiser; HMS Cumberland,hms ambercrobie, hms erebus -Light Cruiser; HMS Scylla, HMS Liverpool, HMS Welshman, hms cairo/coventry -Modern DD; HMS Eskimo, HMS Porcupine -Interwar/Escort Destroyer; HMS Foresight, HMS Ardent, HMS Juno, HMS Basilisk, HMS Starling, hms onslow, hms kepple, hms lookout, Eclipse, echo, foresight, forester, vanoc, wanderer, -Sub, hms ursula, hms seraph, hms trenchant, parthian, proteus, Sahib, saracen
US
Battleship; USS Louisiana Carrier; CV10 Yorktown, USS Kitkun Bay
Historical Interest Unit, USS Casa Grande, USS Yosemite, curtiss, s hopkins
Carrier Aircraft? Aircraft, invader Cruisers; USS Augusta, USS Miami, USS Nashville Modern DD; Lansdowne Old DD or Escort Aux; USCGS Eastwind?, USS Upshur, uss pope, USS Ruben James, USS Clark Sub; USS Bullhead, uss sealion Installation - Fort Drum
SU Large unit/cruiser; icebreaker yermak? Aircraft Installation?
L class sub, Butakov? ---------‐‐-----------------------, FI Destroyer (Vittoria)
GE Large Unit, lutzow,moltke sister Togo/Coronel, widder, sperbrecher, mb stuben Aircraft, fw190, do18,captured d520 Sub u107, u221, u177, u123 Dd, zh2, z31, z3
Italy Large Unit Cruiser, san marco, etna Destroyer, euterpe, gabbiano, leone, nembo Aircraft, bf109 Historical unit; Olterrasub Sub - E Tazzoli, alagi