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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,839	German Destroyer ZH-1 Done Oct 4, 2020 20:44:43 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Oct 4, 2020 20:44:43 GMT Without CE and an intent to deploy alone. 6 can be accepted

au64 Deck E playtester Posts: 1,847	German Destroyer ZH-1 Done Oct 5, 2020 16:15:16 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by au64 on Oct 5, 2020 16:15:16 GMT For this unit, shouldn't the Stalwart also affect the ASW and Torpedo attacks? Just asking, I find it odd that the Destroyer's gunnery attacks wouldn't be affected but the AA, ASW, and Torpedo attacks would be.

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Oct 5, 2020 16:15:16 GMT au64 said:

For this unit, shouldn't the Stalwart also affect the ASW and Torpedo attacks?

Just asking, I find it odd that the Destroyer's gunnery attacks wouldn't be affected but the AA, ASW, and Torpedo attacks would be.

Is it really worth a new SA?

I can see how a damaged ship would have the ASW and Torpedo attacks go offline first since those require maneuvering.

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mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,324	German Destroyer ZH-1 Done Oct 5, 2020 18:00:39 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Oct 5, 2020 18:00:39 GMT Me too.
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waratsea4 Forumini Lieutenant Posts: 839	German Destroyer ZH-1 Done Oct 5, 2020 23:36:37 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by waratsea4 on Oct 5, 2020 23:36:37 GMT Sub Escort;; Do you think if used that SA will be a kill magnet for this ship??

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Oct 5, 2020 23:36:37 GMT waratsea4 said:

Sub Escort;; Do you think if used that SA will be a kill magnet for this ship??

That is definitely the downside to using it. I would only deploy it as an addition to an aircraft ASW attack with escort fighters. It can be a force multiplier that way for harassment. On its own it is very vulnerable. However, if your opponent chooses to attack this destroyer with his subs instead of your subs I think he will be making a big mistake in your favor. But he may have no choice because of the harassment hit he is taking on number of torpedo dice.

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German Destroyer ZH-1 *Done* Oct 6, 2020 19:13:41 GMT

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Oct 5, 2020 16:57:57 GMT weedsrock2 said:

Oct 5, 2020 16:15:16 GMT au64 said:

For this unit, shouldn't the Stalwart also affect the ASW and Torpedo attacks?

Just asking, I find it odd that the Destroyer's gunnery attacks wouldn't be affected but the AA, ASW, and Torpedo attacks would be.

Is it really worth a new SA?

I can see how a damaged ship would have the ASW and Torpedo attacks go offline first since those require maneuvering.

I don't disagree... but my follow-up question then becomes, is there a better (more fitting) SA that we can add to this unit instead?

I mean is Stalwart really worth it on a 4/3/3 MG stat line?

mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,324	German Destroyer ZH-1 Done Oct 6, 2020 19:28:50 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Oct 6, 2020 19:28:50 GMT I think it’s for flavor more than anything else. This has much to excite the Axis/German player: 1) new deployment mechanic 2) 6 AA 3) 2/2/1 torpedoes
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au64 Deck E playtester Posts: 1,847	German Destroyer ZH-1 Done Oct 6, 2020 19:51:43 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by au64 on Oct 6, 2020 19:51:43 GMT Again, no argument... I just think Steadfast would be a better SA than Stalwart.

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German Destroyer ZH-1 *Done* Oct 7, 2020 3:47:49 GMT

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Oct 6, 2020 19:51:43 GMT au64 said:

Again, no argument... I just think Steadfast would be a better SA than Stalwart.

That's a recent SA we came up with to boost the battleship HMS Temeraire to a "quasi 6" huller. I would really rather not see that SA propagated elsewhere. I think Stalwart is enough.

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German Destroyer ZH-1 *Done* Nov 22, 2020 0:34:13 GMT Theaetetus likes this

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So are we okay with this? Ready for costing?

ZH-1
Class: Gerard Callenburgh Class Destroyer
Commissioned: 11 October 1942
Fate: Scuttled 9 June 1944
Displacement: 1,604 tons standard
Length(OA): 350 ft 1 in
Beam: 34 ft 9 in
Speed: 37.5 knots
Armament: 5 x 4.7 in (2 x 2, 1 x 1), 4 x 37 mm AA (2 x 2), 4 x 20 mm AA, 8 x 21 in TT (2 x IIII) 4 DC Throwers, 24 mines

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Suggested Stats

Ship: ZH-1
Year: 1942
Cost: ?
Speed: 2
MG: 5/4/4
AA: 6
ASW: 5
TT: 2/2/1
A/VA/HP: 2/7/2
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Submarine Escort - This unit may deploy in any sector on your side of the map that contains a friendly Submarine. If you do, this unit can't claim an objective on turn 1 or 2.

Stalwart - This unit can make Gunnery attacks with no penalties while crippled.

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mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,324	German Destroyer ZH-1 Done Nov 22, 2020 2:16:21 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Nov 22, 2020 2:16:21 GMT I think so.
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au64 Deck E playtester Posts: 1,847	German Destroyer ZH-1 Done Nov 22, 2020 5:16:25 GMT Theaetetus likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by au64 on Nov 22, 2020 5:16:25 GMT I've raised my points on the inclusion of Stalwart. Speaking of points... what are we thinking of for cost? 10?

raevski Administrator Cooking with gas Posts: 1,615	German Destroyer ZH-1 Done Nov 22, 2020 20:28:58 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by raevski on Nov 22, 2020 20:28:58 GMT 9 points, I have a total adversity to make it 10. Many 10 DDS never get game time of 8,9,10 point crusiers

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German Destroyer ZH-1 Done

Post by flakstruk on Oct 4, 2020 20:44:43 GMT

Post by au64 on Oct 5, 2020 16:15:16 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Oct 5, 2020 16:57:57 GMT

Post by mnnorthstars on Oct 5, 2020 18:00:39 GMT

Post by waratsea4 on Oct 5, 2020 23:36:37 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Oct 6, 2020 3:11:08 GMT

Post by au64 on Oct 6, 2020 19:13:41 GMT

Post by mnnorthstars on Oct 6, 2020 19:28:50 GMT

Post by au64 on Oct 6, 2020 19:51:43 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Oct 7, 2020 3:47:49 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Nov 22, 2020 0:34:13 GMT

Post by mnnorthstars on Nov 22, 2020 2:16:21 GMT

Post by au64 on Nov 22, 2020 5:16:25 GMT

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