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German Destroyer ZH-1 *Done* Sept 2, 2020 15:25:06 GMT via mobile

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Sept 2, 2020 2:03:28 GMT weedsrock2 said:

Sept 1, 2020 20:46:13 GMT raevski said:

How do we get AA 6 lout of that weaponry?

I wondered too. The mains were dual purpose Dutch design that were pretty good. It's a borderline call IMO.

I copied it off the Isaac Sweers card, since this is a sister and had the same systems

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mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,324	German Destroyer ZH-1 Done Sept 2, 2020 17:08:37 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Sept 2, 2020 17:08:37 GMT I don’t know how to do gun lines and AA other than looking at the guidelines, but they should be correct before we finish the card.
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German Destroyer ZH-1 *Done* Sept 6, 2020 22:17:42 GMT

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Sept 2, 2020 22:35:30 GMT waratsea4 said:

I think the MG and AA lines are pretty close; from what I could find.

Isaac; MG 6x 102mm;; AA 4 x 40mm and 4 x 20mm
ZH-1; MG 5x 120mm ;; AA 4 x 37mm and 16 x 20mm

Isaac actually had her armament replaced with RN so she could use RN ammo. So there isn't any overlap there.

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German Destroyer ZH-1 *Done* Sept 9, 2020 14:28:29 GMT via mobile

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Sept 6, 2020 22:17:42 GMT weedsrock2 said:

Sept 2, 2020 22:35:30 GMT waratsea4 said:

I think the MG and AA lines are pretty close; from what I could find.

Isaac; MG 6x 102mm;; AA 4 x 40mm and 4 x 20mm
ZH-1; MG 5x 120mm ;; AA 4 x 37mm and 16 x 20mm

Isaac actually had her armament replaced with RN so she could use RN ammo. So there isn't any overlap there.

It looks pretty comparable to me. I looked at the guidelines and it looked halfway between 5 and 6 so I bumped up instead of down, especially after looking at Swears. Totally not set in stone if 5 is more appropriate

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German Destroyer ZH-1 *Done* Sept 9, 2020 15:27:46 GMT

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I am fine with it either way. The Dutch had an excellent high angle AA range finding system at the start of the war. It is one of their "nation specific flavors." I did not read anything saying the Germans removed it. My guess is they tested it in detail to copy it.

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texasarcher Deck E playtester Posts: 436	German Destroyer ZH-1 Done Sept 29, 2020 18:24:21 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by texasarcher on Sept 29, 2020 18:24:21 GMT It has a Limit of 1 right? Just leave the AA at 6... not gonna break anything...

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German Destroyer ZH-1 *Done* Oct 4, 2020 0:22:15 GMT

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Post by waratsea4 on Oct 4, 2020 0:22:15 GMT

Boy!!! looking at the German DD's is this the perfect 8.5 cost.

I don't think since the Sumner's there as been a 5mg with 6 aa at that torpedo line!!!

I'd say give it a third SA and call it a 9 pointer; but that won't fly;; so give it the 8 points and call it the Nathan James of the Kriegsmarine.

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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,839	German Destroyer ZH-1 Done Oct 4, 2020 1:06:16 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Oct 4, 2020 1:06:16 GMT She should have a torpedo line thats aligned with other KM destroyers. Unless she shipped significantly more tubes

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German Destroyer ZH-1 *Done* Oct 4, 2020 1:07:13 GMT via mobile

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Sept 9, 2020 15:27:46 GMT weedsrock2 said:

I am fine with it either way. The Dutch had an excellent high angle AA range finding system at the start of the war. It is one of their "nation specific flavors." I did not read anything saying the Germans removed it. My guess is they tested it in detail to copy it.

If it was installed. Pretty sure the dutch tried to keep.it out of thier hands

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German Destroyer ZH-1 *Done* Oct 4, 2020 7:31:04 GMT

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Oct 4, 2020 1:07:13 GMT flakstruk said:

Sept 9, 2020 15:27:46 GMT weedsrock2 said:

I am fine with it either way. The Dutch had an excellent high angle AA range finding system at the start of the war. It is one of their "nation specific flavors." I did not read anything saying the Germans removed it. My guess is they tested it in detail to copy it.

If it was installed. Pretty sure the dutch tried to keep.it out of thier hands

Destroyers of World War II says, "The original machinery and main armament (4.7in/45 QF Mk 8) was retained as were the Dutch gun and torpedo fire-control systems (but the torpedo tube mountings were German pattern.) Light AA, however, was altered to German pattern SKC/30 37 mm guns in two twin mountings, one forward, one aft and two quadruple 20mm Vierlings on sponsons abreast the after funnel."

I guess we could go either way with the torpedoes. I would kind of like to see the Germans get a decent torpedo line DD. It is a limit of one anyway.

I am certainly okay with AA 5. The book implies the fire control system may have been salvaged though. I have updated the 20 mm specs on the original post from 4 to 8 barrels total.

Note: The Dutch scuttled the ship, but the German's raised it and evidently restored it fairly close to it's original design. The book says the Kriegsmarine wanted to use it to compare to their own DDs that were heavily criticized.

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mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,324	German Destroyer ZH-1 Done Oct 4, 2020 15:36:33 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Oct 4, 2020 15:36:33 GMT Oct 4, 2020 1:06:16 GMT flakstruk said: She should have a torpedo line thats aligned with other KM destroyers. Unless she shipped significantly more tubes 8 here, 6 on T27.
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German Destroyer ZH-1 *Done* Oct 4, 2020 17:16:30 GMT

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Bringing this forward to a new page so we can find it.

ZH-1
Class: Gerard Callenburgh Class Destroyer
Commissioned: 11 October 1942
Fate: Scuttled 9 June 1944
Displacement: 1,604 tons standard
Length(OA): 350 ft 1 in
Beam: 34 ft 9 in
Speed: 37.5 knots
Armament: 5 x 4.7 in (2 x 2, 1 x 1), 4 x 37 mm AA (2 x 2), 4 x 20 mm AA, 8 x 21 in TT (2 x IIII) 4 DC Throwers, 24 mines

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Suggested Stats

Ship: ZH-1
Year: 1942
Cost:

Speed: 2
MG: 5/4/4
AA: 6
ASW: 5
TT: 2/2/1
A/VA/HP: 2/7/2
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German Destroyer ZH-1 *Done* Oct 4, 2020 17:24:45 GMT

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Looking at Hap's spreadsheet I think we are fine with torpedoes at 2/2/1. All the "later" built German DDs (1941 and later) have 2/2/1 torps.

I could go either way on AA. Other European DDs with AA 6 are ORP Blyskawica, Isaac Sweers and HMS Legion. If Legion deserves AA 6 then this DD certainly deserves it with better Dutch dual-purpose mains and a much, much better high angle fire control system (assuming it was installed).

If we assume the High angle fire control system was removed before scuttling then AA 5 is okay.

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