Soviet A20C Havoc *DONE*

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Soviet A20C Havoc *DONE* Feb 6, 2019 19:54:57 GMT

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A20C Havoc
Douglas Aircraft Company
Introduced: June 1942
Wingspan: 61 ft 4 in
Length: 48 ft
Speed: 37 mph at 10,700 ft
Forumini Speed: 11
Service Ceiling: 23,700 ft
Armament: 4 x 7.62mm ShKAS (replaced 4 x .30 cal Browning) 2 x 2000 lb torpedo or 4000 lb of bombs
Range : 945 miles

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Aircraft – Patrol Bomber
1941
MG: 3
TT: 3
A/VA/HP: 4/8/1
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Soviet used Havocs were altered to carry 2 soviet built torpedoes.
Often made attacks in concert with Il-2s and Pe-2s
Helped sink at least 229 German vessels, mostly convoy ships

Suggested SAs:
Alternate Payload 7
Combined Attack
Auxiliary Hunter (New SA. Roll one extra attack die when attacking Auxiliaries)

Last Edit: Jun 24, 2020 0:11:07 GMT by weedsrock2

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Soviet A20C Havoc *DONE* Feb 7, 2019 5:34:55 GMT

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Post by firesdstny on Feb 7, 2019 5:34:55 GMT

Alt Payload I think is a good add for sure.
If it's going to get Combined attack it should probably have a 2 TT attack line (should it have that anyway?)
If combined attack no to Aux hunter.

Combined attack is a good addition I think.

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Soviet A20C Havoc *DONE* Feb 9, 2019 23:52:58 GMT

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Post by squint181 on Feb 9, 2019 23:52:58 GMT

Alt Payload 7 and Combined attack seems ideal. I agree top 2 and no Aux hunter.

Or, how about Expert Strafer? The A-20 had two different nose guns, the 6 X 12,7-mm ShKAS machine guns or 4 X 20-mm ShVAK cannon in nose. Would either of these be good enough for a 4MG stat?

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Soviet A20C Havoc *DONE* Feb 10, 2019 3:14:53 GMT

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Feb 9, 2019 23:52:58 GMT squint181 said:

Alt Payload 7 and Combined attack seems ideal. I agree top 2 and no Aux hunter.

Or, how about Expert Strafer? The A-20 had two different nose guns, the 6 X 12,7-mm ShKAS machine guns or 4 X 20-mm ShVAK cannon in nose. Would either of these be good enough for a 4MG stat?

the 4 x 20mm is the same on the Beaufighter which is 4MG

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A20C Havoc
Douglas Aircraft Company
Introduced: June 1942
Wingspan: 61 ft 4 in
Length: 48 ft
Speed: 317 mph at 10,700 ft
Forumini Speed: 11
Service Ceiling: 23,700 ft
Armament: 4 x 20mm ShVAK (replaced 4 x .30 cal Browning) 2 x 2000 lb torpedo or 4000 lb of bombs
Range : 945 miles

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Aircraft – Patrol Bomber
1941
MG: 4
TT: 2
A/VA/HP: 4/8/1

ALTERNATE PAYLOAD 7: Once per game, this unit can make a 7-dice Bomb attack instead of a Torpedo attack during the Air Attack phase

COMBINED ATTACK: While this unit is in the same sector as a friendly Dive Bomber, it rolls one extra attack die when making Torpedo attacks.

EXPERT STRAFER: This unit can make Gunnery attacks without taking penalties to its armor or vital armor.
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Last Edit: Feb 10, 2019 3:17:32 GMT by ticat1

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ticat1 Moderator "Ready, Aye, Ready" Posts: 1,363	Soviet A20C Havoc DONE Feb 10, 2019 3:18:26 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ticat1 on Feb 10, 2019 3:18:26 GMT This is a nasty plane. Expert Strafer can also be reflective the speed of the aircraft
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ticat1 Moderator "Ready, Aye, Ready" Posts: 1,363	Soviet A20C Havoc DONE Feb 10, 2019 21:04:54 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ticat1 on Feb 10, 2019 21:04:54 GMT Derp. I'll make this one the official one
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Soviet A20C Havoc *DONE* Mar 5, 2019 14:05:16 GMT

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Post by heavygear on Mar 5, 2019 14:05:16 GMT

Feb 10, 2019 3:14:53 GMT ticat1 said:

Feb 9, 2019 23:52:58 GMT squint181 said:

Alt Payload 7 and Combined attack seems ideal. I agree top 2 and no Aux hunter.

Or, how about Expert Strafer? The A-20 had two different nose guns, the 6 X 12,7-mm ShKAS machine guns or 4 X 20-mm ShVAK cannon in nose. Would either of these be good enough for a 4MG stat?

the 4 x 20mm is the same on the Beaufighter which is 4MG

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A20C Havoc
Douglas Aircraft Company
Introduced: June 1942
Wingspan: 61 ft 4 in
Length: 48 ft
Speed: 317 mph at 10,700 ft
Forumini Speed: 11
Service Ceiling: 23,700 ft
Armament: 4 x 20mm ShVAK (replaced 4 x .30 cal Browning) 2 x 2000 lb torpedo or 4000 lb of bombs
Range : 945 miles

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Aircraft – Patrol Bomber
1941
MG: 4
TT: 2
A/VA/HP: 4/8/1

ALTERNATE PAYLOAD 7: Once per game, this unit can make a 7-dice Bomb attack instead of a Torpedo attack during the Air Attack phase

COMBINED ATTACK: While this unit is in the same sector as a friendly Dive Bomber, it rolls one extra attack die when making Torpedo attacks.

EXPERT STRAFER: This unit can make Gunnery attacks without taking penalties to its armor or vital armor.
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I like that one

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Soviet A20C Havoc *DONE* Mar 5, 2019 15:12:07 GMT

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Post by au64 on Mar 5, 2019 15:12:07 GMT

So with the following game stats, I would propose starting the unit at 9 points which is the same as the 'He-111 H6' and a very similar unit. Playtesting can either move the costing of the unit or adjust the SAs. Anyone up for playtesting this unit with me?

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A20C Havoc
Aircraft – Patrol Bomber
Cost: 9
1941
MG: 4
TT: 2
A/VA/HP: 4/8/1

ALTERNATE PAYLOAD 7: Once per game, this unit can make a 7-dice Bomb attack instead of a Torpedo attack during the Air Attack phase

COMBINED ATTACK: While this unit is in the same sector as a friendly Dive Bomber, it rolls one extra attack die when making Torpedo attacks.

EXPERT STRAFER: This unit can make Gunnery attacks without taking penalties to its armor or vital armor.
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ticat1 Moderator "Ready, Aye, Ready" Posts: 1,363	Soviet A20C Havoc DONE Mar 6, 2019 0:56:24 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ticat1 on Mar 6, 2019 0:56:24 GMT Test it at 9 and we can adjust as needed
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Soviet A20C Havoc *DONE* Mar 14, 2019 5:59:47 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Mar 14, 2019 5:59:47 GMT

Personally, I would suggest dropping the "Combined Attack" and reduce the cost. I think this is a bit overloaded. Expert Strafer, 2 TT attack, and a one-time Bomb 7 attack makes for a good all-rounder. It doesn't need the extra buff IMO. I would rather have that at 8 points. Also, without Light Defensive Armament this would not be a great value at 9 points IMO with a 4 armor. Yes, it does have 8 vital, but it will get aborted a lot. (It is correct to not have LDA.)

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Post by ticat1 on Feb 6, 2019 19:54:57 GMT

Post by firesdstny on Feb 7, 2019 5:34:55 GMT

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Post by squint181 on Feb 9, 2019 23:52:58 GMT

Post by ticat1 on Feb 10, 2019 3:14:53 GMT

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Post by swished3 on Feb 10, 2019 4:09:22 GMT

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Post by gaz01 on Feb 10, 2019 20:11:55 GMT

Post by ticat1 on Feb 10, 2019 21:04:54 GMT

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Post by au64 on Mar 5, 2019 15:12:07 GMT

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