HMS Hotspur *DONE*

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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Nov 29, 2018 2:36:49 GMT

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HMS Hotspur
"H" class Destroyer
Commissioned: March 19316
Fate: Sold to the Dominican Republic 1948, Scrapped 1972
Displacement: 1,345 tons standard
Length (OA): 323 ft 6 in
Beam: 33 ft
Speed: 36 kts
Armor : None
Armament: 4 x 4.5in/45 (4 x 1), 8 x 12.7mm AA (2 X 4), 10 x 21in TT (2 x 5), 1 DC Rail 2 DC Throwers 20 DCs

Changes:
1943 A Type 271 surface search radar.
Type 290 surface warning radar.
High frequency direction finding system
Received a Type 242 IFF system.
Two 4.7-inch guns were removed, one each forward and aft, and the forward gun was replaced by a Hedgehog anti-submarine spigot mortar. The 3-inch anti-aircraft gun amidships was also removed, but the number of 20 mm AA guns was increased to six.
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Suggested card stats:
Ship - Destroyer
1939
Speed: 2
MG: 4-4-3
AA: 4
ASW: 4
TT: 2-2-1
A/VA/HP: 2/6/2

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Escorted the four destroyer minelayers of the 20th Destroyer Flotilla as they sailed to implement Operation Wilfred, an operation to lay mines in the Vestfjord to prevent the transport of Swedish iron ore from Narvik to Germany.

Battle of Narvik. Sank 4 merchant ships in port, received severe damage by 7 shots from German Destroyers

Assisted in sinking Italian Sub Lafole, but was damaged after ramming it.

Numerous escorts of capitol ships

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gaz01
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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Dec 14, 2018 19:39:39 GMT

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Post by gaz01 on Dec 14, 2018 19:39:39 GMT

Just noticed this now.

Survived the heavy losses of 41 in the Med whilst giving continuous service at the time, some joint u boat kills and a knack for having to finish off friendly ships!

Maybe room for a new SA if desired or stick to generic DD abilities.

Room for scope I think as nothing is jumping out as a cert.

Last Edit: Dec 14, 2018 19:48:59 GMT by gaz01

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texasarcher Deck E playtester Posts: 436	HMS Hotspur DONE Dec 14, 2018 22:53:56 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by texasarcher on Dec 14, 2018 22:53:56 GMT DD with Damage Control??

TrickiVic Forumini Lieutenant Posts: 730	HMS Hotspur DONE Dec 15, 2018 4:52:35 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by TrickiVic on Dec 15, 2018 4:52:35 GMT Listing some SA's that come to my mind, Damage Control Survivor Scuttle - New special ability Close Escort
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waratsea4
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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Dec 16, 2018 1:43:30 GMT

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Post by waratsea4 on Dec 16, 2018 1:43:30 GMT

She was a Sub Hunter;;

I'd go one better;

Sub Hunter Killer;; same wording as 'Hunter Killer Group' just remove '''Aircraft Based On'''
Determination;; already on a DD
Close Escort;;

Every one puts their 2 cents in; but this is worth a nickel;;

au64
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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Dec 17, 2018 15:21:09 GMT

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Post by au64 on Dec 17, 2018 15:21:09 GMT

Here's my thoughts on the unit:

Sub Hunter - At the end of the second player's Sea Movement step, you may place this unit in an adjacent sector that contains an enemy Submarine
Determination - Whenever this unit would be destroyed, roll a die. On a 5 or higher, the destruction is prevented and this unit remains in the game with 1 hull point
Finish Him Off - This unit rolls one extra attack die when attacking damaged ships

*new* Friendly Fire/Scuttle - Whenever this unit makes an attack and misses the opposing target, roll the same attack against a friendly unit in the same sector.

TrickiVic
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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Dec 18, 2018 4:35:45 GMT

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Post by TrickiVic on Dec 18, 2018 4:35:45 GMT

Throwing this out here for 'Scuttle' ability

Scuttle - Once per game, if this ship is local to a crippled friendly unit. Instead of attacking during the Surface Attack Phase, it can destroy that friendly unit and your opponent is only awarded half that unit cost.

Thoughts? Broken? Stupid?

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au64
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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Dec 18, 2018 15:53:32 GMT

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Post by au64 on Dec 18, 2018 15:53:32 GMT

Dec 18, 2018 4:35:45 GMT TrickiVic said:

Throwing this out here for 'Scuttle' ability

Scuttle - Once per game, if this ship is local to a crippled friendly unit. Instead of attacking during the Surface Attack Phase, it can destroy that friendly unit and your opponent is only awarded half that unit cost.

Thoughts? Broken? Stupid?

I like the concept, but it could raise some ruling/timing issues.

For example:

1) Would the ship need to be in a crippled state at the start of the Surface Attack phase?

2) What if your opponent also manages to legitimately sink the unit during the turn you use the ability targeting the same ship?

3) Does the crippled unit get to make an attack before you 'destroy' it?

4) If it's in Smoke, does it get a concealment save? (I know... dumb, but it will come up in a game at a critical moment)

texasarcher Deck E playtester Posts: 436	HMS Hotspur DONE Dec 18, 2018 16:41:39 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by texasarcher on Dec 18, 2018 16:41:39 GMT Scuttle goes against the KISS principle. I dont think it needs it...

TrickiVic
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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Dec 19, 2018 6:16:31 GMT

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Post by TrickiVic on Dec 19, 2018 6:16:31 GMT

Dec 18, 2018 15:53:32 GMT au64 said:

Dec 18, 2018 4:35:45 GMT TrickiVic said:

Throwing this out here for 'Scuttle' ability

Scuttle - Once per game, if this ship is local to a crippled friendly unit. Instead of attacking during the Surface Attack Phase, it can destroy that friendly unit and your opponent is only awarded half that unit cost.

Thoughts? Broken? Stupid?

I like the concept, but it could raise some ruling/timing issues.

For example:

1) Would the ship need to be in a crippled state at the start of the Surface Attack phase?

2) What if your opponent also manages to legitimately sink the unit during the turn you use the ability targeting the same ship?

3) Does the crippled unit get to make an attack before you 'destroy' it?

4) If it's in Smoke, does it get a concealment save? (I know... dumb, but it will come up in a game at a critical moment)

It was a bit hard to come up the wording with this SA. I brought my Sea Ablaze deck. Looking at some of the cards why don't we use something similar to Abandon Ship?

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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Dec 21, 2018 22:20:48 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Dec 21, 2018 22:20:48 GMT

I think the Scuttle concept would be very hard to cost. The value of scuttling your ship to prevent your opponent from getting some of the victory points (whatever percentage we try) is too wide a range. Scuttling a 6 point DD is worth very little, but scuttling a 60 pt BB is a game changer.

I like the ASW assist idea. But how about giving the positive ability to Hotspur?

Based on this:

ASW Swarm - During your Air Attack step, if another friendly aircraft makes an ASW attack against an enemy Submarine, this unit rolls one extra attack die when making ASW attacks against that enemy Submarine this turn.

ASW Team - During your Surface Attack step, if another friendly unit has made an ASW attack against an enemy Submarine, this unit can roll one extra attack die when making ASW attacks against that enemy Submarine this turn.

This would trigger if the target had been attacked by an aircraft or a ship. That gives it at least some chance of creating the setup by the player and getting it triggered IMO.

Combining that with Close Escort or Sub Hunter could be an interesting unit. But it pretty much tags the unit as an "ASW" specialist.

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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Dec 21, 2018 22:28:15 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Dec 21, 2018 22:28:15 GMT

Dec 21, 2018 22:20:48 GMT weedsrock2 said:

I like the ASW assist idea. But how about giving the positive ability to Hotspur?

Based on this:

ASW Swarm - During your Air Attack step, if another friendly aircraft makes an ASW attack against an enemy Submarine, this unit rolls one extra attack die when making ASW attacks against that enemy Submarine this turn.

ASW Team - During your Surface Attack step, if another friendly unit has made an ASW attack against an enemy Submarine, this unit can roll one extra attack die when making ASW attacks against that enemy Submarine this turn.

This would trigger if the target had been attacked by an aircraft or a ship. That gives it at least some chance of creating the setup by the player and getting it triggered IMO.

Combining that with Close Escort or Sub Hunter could be an interesting unit. But it pretty much tags the unit as an "ASW" specialist.

Maybe Sub Hunter plus ASW Team would be a better combo for Hiyodori? I will post the idea on that thread too.

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waratsea4
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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Dec 22, 2018 5:22:03 GMT

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Post by waratsea4 on Dec 22, 2018 5:22:03 GMT

Dec 21, 2018 22:28:15 GMT weedsrock2 said:

Dec 21, 2018 22:20:48 GMT weedsrock2 said:

I like the ASW assist idea. But how about giving the positive ability to Hotspur?

Based on this:

ASW Swarm - During your Air Attack step, if another friendly aircraft makes an ASW attack against an enemy Submarine, this unit rolls one extra attack die when making ASW attacks against that enemy Submarine this turn.

ASW Team - During your Surface Attack step, if another friendly unit has made an ASW attack against an enemy Submarine, this unit can roll one extra attack die when making ASW attacks against that enemy Submarine this turn.

This would trigger if the target had been attacked by an aircraft or a ship. That gives it at least some chance of creating the setup by the player and getting it triggered IMO.

Combining that with Close Escort or Sub Hunter could be an interesting unit. But it pretty much tags the unit as an "ASW" specialist.

Maybe Sub Hunter plus ASW Team would be a better combo for Hiyodori? I will post the idea on that thread too.

Thats what i liked about Changing;; Hunter Killer Group; Just remove;; Aircraft based on

SO; Friendly DD's roll one extra die when making ASW attacks against enemy subs that were attacker this turn by this unit.

From what i've read this class had a lot of success team wise with subs.

Small note; Among CW not a lot 2-2-1 TT line DD's at 7 pts V Olga comes to mine; think its worth being part of the discussion??

Last Edit: Dec 22, 2018 5:46:29 GMT by waratsea4

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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Dec 22, 2018 8:19:07 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Dec 22, 2018 8:19:07 GMT

Dec 22, 2018 5:22:03 GMT waratsea4 said:

Dec 21, 2018 22:28:15 GMT weedsrock2 said:

Maybe Sub Hunter plus ASW Team would be a better combo for Hiyodori? I will post the idea on that thread too.

Thats what i liked about Changing;; Hunter Killer Group; Just remove;; Aircraft based on

SO; Friendly DD's roll one extra die when making ASW attacks against enemy subs that were attacker this turn by this unit.

From what i've read this class had a lot of success team wise with subs.

Small note; Among CW not a lot 2-2-1 TT line DD's at 7 pts V Olga comes to mine; think its worth being part of the discussion??

Well, we could give this unit your version of the Hunter Killer SA that gives other ships the bonus, and use my version that boosts the ship itself to Hiyodori. Both versions would represent new SA variants, and they are both useful in their own way.

Do you mean 2-2-1 TT with a cost of 6? I agree that is something to think about. At 7 points it would be okay I think?

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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Dec 22, 2018 21:34:56 GMT

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Post by waratsea4 on Dec 22, 2018 21:34:56 GMT

Dec 22, 2018 8:19:07 GMT weedsrock2 said:

Dec 22, 2018 5:22:03 GMT waratsea4 said:

Thats what i liked about Changing;; Hunter Killer Group; Just remove;; Aircraft based on

SO; Friendly DD's roll one extra die when making ASW attacks against enemy subs that were attacker this turn by this unit.

From what i've read this class had a lot of success team wise with subs.

Small note; Among CW not a lot 2-2-1 TT line DD's at 7 pts V Olga comes to mine; think its worth being part of the discussion??

Well, we could give this unit your version of the Hunter Killer SA that gives other ships the bonus, and use my version that boosts the ship itself to Hiyodori. Both versions would represent new SA variants, and they are both useful in their own way.

Do you mean 2-2-1 TT with a cost of 6? I agree that is something to think about. At 7 points it would be okay I think?

NO what I'm basically saying; The H class in game terms is another Glowworm / V Olga;

What makes the Glowworm at 8pts more attractive to use than say a Saumarez/ Barfleur; I'd say Year of Entry

The Glowworm does have a nice trilogy of SA's for 8pts, but not many 2-2-1 torpedo line DD's at 7pts

The weaker AA ASW die is off set by the nice Torpedo line so I think the Hotspur at 7 pts with a couple of SA's

gives the RN a little more in choice, just some thoughts.

A ASW and AA die bonus SA can make her pretty useful.

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HMS Hotspur DONE

Post by ticat1 on Nov 29, 2018 2:36:49 GMT

Post by gaz01 on Dec 14, 2018 19:39:39 GMT

Post by texasarcher on Dec 14, 2018 22:53:56 GMT

Post by TrickiVic on Dec 15, 2018 4:52:35 GMT

Post by waratsea4 on Dec 16, 2018 1:43:30 GMT

Post by au64 on Dec 17, 2018 15:21:09 GMT

Post by TrickiVic on Dec 18, 2018 4:35:45 GMT

Post by au64 on Dec 18, 2018 15:53:32 GMT

Post by texasarcher on Dec 18, 2018 16:41:39 GMT

Post by TrickiVic on Dec 19, 2018 6:16:31 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Dec 21, 2018 22:20:48 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Dec 21, 2018 22:28:15 GMT

Post by waratsea4 on Dec 22, 2018 5:22:03 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Dec 22, 2018 8:19:07 GMT

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