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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Dec 22, 2018 22:08:07 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Dec 22, 2018 22:08:07 GMT

Okay. What about also giving it Close Escort? Right now the Brits have a "lower end" DD with CE on the Ledbury, and CE on the high end with Legion. Hotspur could fill that middle zone of an average stat DD with CE. Arunta fills that hole, but it is Aussie and isn't always available in country or theatre specific scenarios.

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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Dec 23, 2018 0:10:24 GMT

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Post by waratsea4 on Dec 23, 2018 0:10:24 GMT

Dec 22, 2018 22:08:07 GMT weedsrock2 said:

Okay. What about also giving it Close Escort? Right now the Brits have a "lower end" DD with CE on the Ledbury, and CE on the high end with Legion. Hotspur could fill that middle zone of an average stat DD with CE. Arunta fills that hole, but it is Aussie and isn't always available in country or theatre specific scenarios.

Yep; I personally prefer as i wrote a Sub Bonus SA new would be nice and Close Escort;

I could skip the Determination to keep cost lower, your right UK could use it.

Like your idea on Hiyodori; one thing the IJN game is missing its quality PB air ASW die rolls

Either ASW swarm or an SA that lets IJN air units gain a ASW die if the DD is near a sub.

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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Jan 19, 2019 23:45:07 GMT

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Post by gaz01 on Jan 19, 2019 23:45:07 GMT

Definitely a determination/survivor type SA is a must and then whatever else wants to be added. If its sub related then a team ability, as mentioned would suit. Its kills were part kills and it wasn't a sub killing expert compared to other units and the UK is quite well off for the sub hunter ability, I think.

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ticat1 Moderator "Ready, Aye, Ready" Posts: 1,363	HMS Hotspur DONE Feb 5, 2019 17:29:44 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ticat1 on Feb 5, 2019 17:29:44 GMT What about Guard the Flotilla as well as CE? GUARD THE FLOTILLA: While this unit is in the same sector as a friendly Destroyer, enemy units can't attack that Destroyer until this unit has been attacked at least once in the same phase.
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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Feb 5, 2019 21:18:49 GMT

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Post by waratsea4 on Feb 5, 2019 21:18:49 GMT

Feb 5, 2019 17:29:44 GMT ticat1 said:

What about Guard the Flotilla as well as CE?

GUARD THE FLOTILLA: While this unit is in the same sector as a friendly Destroyer, enemy units can't attack that Destroyer until this unit has been attacked at least once in the same phase.

Thats nice:: gives it a little Historical flavor.

Not many 2-2-1 TT line DD's at 7 pts with her defensive line; but i think with just 2 SA's and already having ZG3 - V Olga

its a nice fit for the RN;;; They could use the 7 pt Love!!

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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Feb 6, 2019 13:37:35 GMT

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Post by au64 on Feb 6, 2019 13:37:35 GMT

Just out of curiosity... and this should probably go into the rules section, but what happens if you have two destroyers in the same sector with Guard the Flotilla?

Technically (per the SA) you wouldn't be able to attack either one as it sets up a infinite loop.

PLAYER 1: I want to attack Destroyer A
PLAYER 2: You can't until you attack Destroyer B first
PLAYER 1: Well, then I'll attack Destroyer B
PLAYER 2: You can't until you attack Destroyer A first
PLAYER 1: Wait! WHAT!?!?! I Can't attack either one, unless I target them both at the same time? I hate you.

Last Edit: Feb 6, 2019 13:38:24 GMT by au64

ticat1 Moderator "Ready, Aye, Ready" Posts: 1,363	HMS Hotspur DONE Feb 6, 2019 13:53:17 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ticat1 on Feb 6, 2019 13:53:17 GMT Had this with Espero. You can attack Hotspur 1 before Hotspur 2 because they both have the same SA so they kind of cancel that out. But you have to attack both before you attackthe third destroyer
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firesdstny Deck E developer Posts: 1,419	HMS Hotspur DONE Feb 7, 2019 5:33:10 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by firesdstny on Feb 7, 2019 5:33:10 GMT I like guard the flotilla. That is a nice niche for this unit!

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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Feb 10, 2019 20:28:35 GMT

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Post by gaz01 on Feb 10, 2019 20:28:35 GMT

In the recent osprey duel title on destroyers at Narvik an artist plate included shows Hotspur colliding with Hunter when out of control after being disabled and contributing to the sinking of it. Not actually read the book itself yet.

For anybody interested books have been written individually on Hardy, Hunter & Hotspur. Two pretty recent, covering the ships and crew survivor accounts and an older account on the Hotspur covering mainly the 1941 Med operations, written by a junior officer. All excellent books.

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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,839	HMS Hotspur DONE Feb 11, 2019 12:25:36 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Feb 11, 2019 12:25:36 GMT I thought that it was clarified with the M1/Guard the convoy that you pick one and it only applies once.

ticat1 Moderator "Ready, Aye, Ready" Posts: 1,363	HMS Hotspur DONE Apr 30, 2019 0:48:58 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ticat1 on Apr 30, 2019 0:48:58 GMT Where are we on this?
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HMS Hotspur *DONE* Apr 30, 2019 18:48:13 GMT

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Post by gaz01 on Apr 30, 2019 18:48:13 GMT

I'd be fine with just giving it one of damage control/determination/survivor for its main historical action and keep it low end cost. Exeter springs to mind. Not really seeing it needing an ASW ability, its less deserving in that area than others would be.

Last Edit: Apr 30, 2019 18:49:47 GMT by gaz01

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HMS Hotspur *DONE* May 23, 2019 21:16:50 GMT

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Post by au64 on May 23, 2019 21:16:50 GMT

So.... ?

HMS Hotspur
Ship - Destroyer
1939
Points: 7
Speed: 2
MG: 4-4-3
AA: 4
ASW: 4
TT: 2-2-1
A/VA/HP: 2/6/2

DETERMINATION: Whenever this unit would be destroyed, roll a die. On a 5 or higher, the destruction is prevented and this unit remains in the game with 1 hull point

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HMS Hotspur
Ship - Destroyer
1939
Points: 8
Speed: 2
MG: 4-4-3
AA: 4
ASW: 4
TT: 2-2-1
A/VA/HP: 2/6/2

CLOSE ESCORT: The sector this unit is in can contain three friendly ships instead of two (or one more ship in the sector than the number allowed by the stacking limit of the scenario)

GUARD THE FLOTILLA: While this unit is in the same sector as a friendly Destroyer, enemy units can't attack that Destroyer until this unit has been attacked at least once in the same phase.

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Points on the second version might be off, but I don't see getting both SAs for only 1 point. Any thoughts, I think these were the two versions floating around out there.

au64 Deck E playtester Posts: 1,847	HMS Hotspur DONE Jun 10, 2019 20:09:29 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by au64 on Jun 10, 2019 20:09:29 GMT Bueller? Bueller?

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Post by weedsrock2 on Dec 22, 2018 22:08:07 GMT

Post by waratsea4 on Dec 23, 2018 0:10:24 GMT

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Post by ticat1 on Feb 5, 2019 17:29:44 GMT

Post by waratsea4 on Feb 5, 2019 21:18:49 GMT

Post by au64 on Feb 6, 2019 13:37:35 GMT

Post by ticat1 on Feb 6, 2019 13:53:17 GMT

Post by firesdstny on Feb 7, 2019 5:33:10 GMT

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Post by flakstruk on Feb 11, 2019 12:25:36 GMT

Post by ticat1 on Apr 30, 2019 0:48:58 GMT

Post by gaz01 on Apr 30, 2019 18:48:13 GMT

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