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firesdstny Deck E developer Posts: 1,419	Izmail DONE Jun 15, 2019 5:26:17 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by firesdstny on Jun 15, 2019 5:26:17 GMT Esp with the slightly lower gun scores. I would be ok with it. In the grand scheme of things I also find 2nds + Terts to be preferable to 2nds + Bristle

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Izmail *DONE* Aug 18, 2019 20:50:28 GMT

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I like

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Borodino Class Battlecruiser

Year:1941
Speed: 2
Flag: 1
Cost: 39
Main: 15/14/13/12
Secondaries: 6/5/4
Tertiaries: 5/4/3
AA: 7
Armor: 7/13/5

Extended Range 4: While undamaged, this unit can make range-4 main Gunnery attacks using its range-3 attack value

Torpedo Defense: Each Torpedo hit rolled against this unit deals 1 less point of hull damage

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au64 Deck E playtester Posts: 1,847	Izmail DONE Aug 19, 2019 16:30:01 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by au64 on Aug 19, 2019 16:30:01 GMT I'm good with this.

texasarcher Deck E playtester Posts: 436	Izmail DONE Aug 21, 2019 21:26:29 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by texasarcher on Aug 21, 2019 21:26:29 GMT Looks good to me

ticat1 Moderator "Ready, Aye, Ready" Posts: 1,363	Izmail DONE Sept 26, 2019 22:06:52 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ticat1 on Sept 26, 2019 22:06:52 GMT Any further comments or tests?
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Izmail *DONE* Feb 24, 2020 2:26:35 GMT

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Are we ready for flavor text on this one?

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Izmail
Borodino Class Battlecruiser

Commissioned: Not completed

Decommissioned: Not completed

Displacement: 33,022 t standard

Length (OA): 734 ft 5 in
Beam: 100 ft 1 in
Speed: 29.5 knots

Armament: 12 x 14 in (4 x 3), 24 x 5.1 in guns (24 x 1), 4 x 2.5 in AA (4 x 1), 6 x 17.7-in (3 below waterline on each side) torpedo tubes (As designed in 1917)

(Note: As with all ships from this era, the AA battery would have been significantly upgraded by 1941.)

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Izmail
Ship - Battleship
Year: 1941
Speed: 2
Flag: 1
Cost: 39
Main: 15/14/13/12
Secondaries: 6/5/4
Tertiaries: 5/4/3
AA: 7
Armor: 7/13/5

Extended Range 4 - While undamaged, this unit can make range-4 main Gunnery attacks using its range-3 attack value.

Torpedo Defense - Each Torpedo hit rolled against this unit deals 1 less point of hull damage.

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Last Edit: Mar 8, 2020 20:00:12 GMT by weedsrock2

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Izmail *DONE* Feb 24, 2020 2:46:10 GMT

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Just reviewing the specifications, I am wondering were the tertiaries came from? The ship was designed with a uniform secondary of 24 x 5.1 in guns mounted in casemates along the hull (12 to a side.)

In cases where we have a large uniform secondary battery it is customary to use "Bristling with Guns." This is a specification driven SA, not an option. Separate tertiaries are specifically for ships that have a distinct tertiary battery of guns that are different from the secondaries.

So I formally propose that the tertiary attack line be deleted and the SA "Bristling with Guns" be added. I know it isn't as good, but that is the way it was designed. Also, even 24 casemated guns was a very poor battery which is why most navies had eliminated as many of them as they could by WWII. Range was terrible and they couldn't be used in even moderate seas.

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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,839	Izmail DONE Feb 24, 2020 3:27:21 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Feb 24, 2020 3:27:21 GMT This was discussed. At length earlier in the thread

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Feb 24, 2020 3:27:21 GMT flakstruk said:

This was discussed. At length earlier in the thread

I see. Well, my experience is most people usually want separate tertiaries, but they don't understand that if you look at RB's cards, Bristling is used with every BB that has a uniform secondary with the early exception of Prince of Wales. I shouldn't even be an option for discussion IMO.

But I will drop it at this point.

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Izmail *DONE* Feb 24, 2020 6:21:28 GMT

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Feb 24, 2020 2:26:35 GMT weedsrock2 said:

Are we ready for flavor text on this one?

Russia

Izmail
Borodino Class Battlecruiser

Commissioned: Not completed

Decommissioned: Not completed

Displacement: 33,022 t standard

Length (OA): 734 ft 5 in
Beam: 100 ft 1 in
Speed: 26.5 knots

Armament: 12 x 14 in (4 x 3), 24 x 5.1 in guns (24 x 1), 4 x 2.5 in AA (4 x 1), 6 x 17.7-in (3 below waterline on each side) torpedo tubes (As designed in 1917)

(Note: As with all ships from this era, the AA battery would have been significantly upgraded by 1941.)

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Izmail
Ship - Battleship
Year: 1941
Speed: 2
Flag: 1
Cost: 39
Main: 15/14/13/12
Secondaries: 6/5/4
Tertiaries: 5/4/3
AA: 7
Armor: 7/13/5

Extended Range 4 - While undamaged, this unit can make range-4 main Gunnery attacks using its range-3 attack value.

Torpedo Defense - Each Torpedo hit rolled against this unit deals 1 less point of hull damage.

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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,839	Izmail DONE Feb 24, 2020 6:46:29 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Feb 24, 2020 6:46:29 GMT The lack of AA had to be taken into consideration

Syzmo Deck E developer Posts: 400	Izmail DONE Feb 24, 2020 14:44:00 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Syzmo on Feb 24, 2020 14:44:00 GMT Any want to write this one?

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Izmail *DONE* Feb 24, 2020 17:47:32 GMT

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Feb 24, 2020 6:46:29 GMT flakstruk said:

The lack of AA had to be taken into consideration

I just assume (as we have with other early century what-ifs) that the light AA would have been upgraded by 1940. There might have been other upgrades, but with the Soviets it is impossible to know.

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weedsrock2 Administrator Posts: 5,199	Izmail DONE Feb 26, 2020 5:25:20 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by weedsrock2 on Feb 26, 2020 5:25:20 GMT Feb 24, 2020 14:44:00 GMT Syzmo said: Any want to write this one? I can take this one.
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Izmail *DONE* Feb 26, 2020 6:40:25 GMT

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Feb 24, 2020 17:47:32 GMT weedsrock2 said:

Feb 24, 2020 6:46:29 GMT flakstruk said:

The lack of AA had to be taken into consideration

I just assume (as we have with other early century what-ifs) that the light AA would have been upgraded by 1940. There might have been other upgrades, but with the Soviets it is impossible to know.

Thats what the tertiary represent

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