I think every serious player especially the card designers have a strong point of view on what a new unit should look like; Not being a designer i like to hear from those that do; basically why the thread was started; but like many its just takes a direction you where hopping it wouldn't or just dies of no interest. That being said; I am one that when i talk about a unit; i research it, look at its peers for comparison, try to think of its degree of usefulness in the game and also like to hear other thoughts on it. No bodies perfect not even RB Thought it might be nice to see how most [probably not going to happen] see the likes and dislikes of expansion units; than maybe discuss the why's!! It was nice hearing your views on Unryu i might tape it back together again.
Seems your not a fan of the P-38; any other likes or dislikes?? Like to hear from you on that. My take on the unit is not with out some history; Had a good back and forth with Andy Palmer; believe he added a lot to its design on that Team. Thought it was a bit over cost; but to me taking a long look at it; I think they did right I believe EE not Interceptor 2 was the cost boost with her and yes 9pts is hard to swallow in a build; but comparing her to the other EE--Escort fighter with her stats; its not out of line;; she's worth the pts. 4 other fighters have Escort and interceptor and [I'm not going to compare anything to the P-40 that unit broke the game]; [Rather look at the Veltro] she is in line with the others, well worth the extra cost.
Just mentioning a few units for each Deck;; which units did you like and which ones didn't you like; For what ever reason
Deck Neptune; A good one Like; HIRYU--FORWARD AIRSTRIP; but for me it had to be HIRYU; Other likes; SKUA-- P-38 the UK needed the early warbird and I just love an interceptor with escort; EE to boot Dislike; TSUSHIMA with RB we didn't need Montana with this deck hated to see the mistake go on. other dislikes; ALSACE nicely done but i hate 66pt monsters for obvious reasons
Deck Neptune; or as I like to call it the French Deck Likes; The way they went with the attack aircraft; Stuka--Sonia--He 111--Dauntless--DAP etc.; but my favorite Hudson; Canada had a big part in the Atlantic the Hudson "SUB Death" from above, iced it Dislike; UNRYU thought it was done poorly and a wasted opportunity; SOW's card so much better; other dislike; Lion to me whats its purpose to the game??
Deck Aeger; for me the deck of ups and downs; Likes; HELENA she's a damn useful Cruiser; Other likes; love where they went with Hiei and Impero; Salmon added pop to the UK small sub game; Inazuma a good IJN DD priced like a DD; FM2 I seldom leave home without it. Dislikes; Number 1 for me OSCAR hated to see the 5pt threshold broken especially with escort; Sea Gladiator -- Cr 42 Falco, Bi planes whats next Jets?? !!! -- Adelaide; Soerabaia; JU 52, just me
Deck Kraken; The Miracle Deck they got it done!! Likes; Peter Strasser the 2 CAP carriers carrier;; Other likes Albacore has anyone seen a Swordfish lately;; Silversides the USN sub fleet just became the real Silent Service; The UK Cruisers Enemy Aircraft and DD's beware. Dislikes; Pennsylvania just didn't like the AA for the Entry Year; Other Dislikes Elli again just me; Oscarborg Fortress seems a little under cost again maybe just me.
Get the Forum going if you have likes or dislikes take the plunge let us know
Taking a closer look at your MKII unit; yep what i had in mind for a USN unit; not so much another main carrier build ship killer; but more along the lines of what was done with the Wildcat FM2, think it's an interesting unit for CVE scenario play; True it would be quibbling to argue over Expert Bomber; yours surly covers a lot what that thing could do. Little curious [keeping Bomb attack add ons out of it] why not a higher bomb attack she could hold some payload??
Can't really say much here; when you compare it to its peer at 13pts. Get flag lose some MG and R3, AWS limited;; swap Night fighter for Good luck; At 13 pts i see it as a non alcoholic beer;; why bother; can't see much interest; maybe at a point lower it would generate some kind of Build interest. Happy for all those that see something in it; I'm just missing it.
Just looking for some player thoughts;; There are some cards out there with the Grumman Avenger as a Dive Bomber and thats, all well and good not knocking anyones ideas on how the unit should be done. The Avenger did have a roll outside of Torpedo Bombing and ASW; Laying Mines; Airborne Fighter Control;Horizontal Bombing; and of-course a form of Dive Bombing called by some sources Glide Bombing not quite the steep Dive Bomb approach of your typical DB's. Note RB did represent that well with Alt Payload It wasn't particularly successful in this type of attack; but was used. For my own experiences if I'm going to use expansion i mostly prefer the Sea God Decks; SO Do you think their is room in the future for such a Sea God unit?? Some other usage notes; by late war on smaller carriers only Fighters [Note FM2's] and Avengers where used; Avengers making up one third of all small carrier aircraft; I do see some nice uses for this unit in that type of scenario play; but not without some restrictions. I personally like the idea of an AWS attack value and an every turn Bomb Attack; but possibly not allowing Expert Bomber; An alt Torpedo Attack and a cost of around 12. Any thoughts??