Just looking for some player thoughts;; There are some cards out there with the Grumman Avenger as a Dive Bomber and thats, all well and good not knocking anyones ideas on how the unit should be done. The Avenger did have a roll outside of Torpedo Bombing and ASW; Laying Mines; Airborne Fighter Control;Horizontal Bombing; and of-course a form of Dive Bombing called by some sources Glide Bombing not quite the steep Dive Bomb approach of your typical DB's. Note RB did represent that well with Alt Payload It wasn't particularly successful in this type of attack; but was used. For my own experiences if I'm going to use expansion i mostly prefer the Sea God Decks; SO Do you think their is room in the future for such a Sea God unit?? Some other usage notes; by late war on smaller carriers only Fighters [Note FM2's] and Avengers where used; Avengers making up one third of all small carrier aircraft; I do see some nice uses for this unit in that type of scenario play; but not without some restrictions. I personally like the idea of an AWS attack value and an every turn Bomb Attack; but possibly not allowing Expert Bomber; An alt Torpedo Attack and a cost of around 12. Any thoughts??
Aside from prohibiting Expert Bomber, they are pretty close to what you're suggesting. Honestly, I don't see much reason to preclude Expert Bomber, as the bomb values are low by late-war standards, and there is only but so much room on the card with the Mines SA on the RN versions. They are pretty crowded cards.
When I designed these, I was really trying to reflect the Royal Navy role for the Avenger, which was typically very different than the USN. In my view, nothing prevents a RN fleet using "historical limits" covered in the rulebook from using the TBF or TBF-1, so these simply represent another option for the Royal Navy Air Arm, not a pure replacement. I consider the Avengers we have, particularly the TBF, to be far better pure ship killers, but these Tarpon variants offer a kind of "swiss army knife" option that might be attractive in the right match-up.
Taking a closer look at your MKII unit; yep what i had in mind for a USN unit; not so much another main carrier build ship killer; but more along the lines of what was done with the Wildcat FM2, think it's an interesting unit for CVE scenario play; True it would be quibbling to argue over Expert Bomber; yours surly covers a lot what that thing could do. Little curious [keeping Bomb attack add ons out of it] why not a higher bomb attack she could hold some payload??
Little curious [keeping Bomb attack add ons out of it] why not a higher bomb attack she could hold some payload??
The TBF, like the Kate and the Jill, were level bombers when not equipped with torpedoes, not dive bombers. In general, the Alt Payload attacks provide a decent guide for what these should look like as level bombers. In the case of the RN planes, I added one die in each case, giving the Royal Navy Air Arm a little credit for regular use of the TBF in a bombing role, but as level bombers, I feel their bomb values might be a little generous, if anything. When you tack on Expert Bomber, I think they are more than good enough given their combat record (I don't know of a single case where a bombing Tarpon squadron took down a capital ship).