+2 ...and "Good Luck" seems so unlikely to occur that it should be costed pretty much at zero. If this unit is in range of a sub and nearly any other unit is in range of that sub, that sub is going to shoot at anything else (OK, maybe not a daihatsu, kinai maru, T1 or Type 13).
i agree with most of the previous answers, 13 is way to expensive for this unit, keep it at 11 points so we have a cheap torp cruiser for our LL builds
Giving it "just" 6 AA makes it no better than the other IJN CLs like Naka. In fact it's worse, because it has "limited ASW" (something that absolutely should go IMO).
Compare to Agano:
Guns 6/6/5/5 AA 6 ASW 2 TT 2/2/1/1
SAs LLTs Night Fighter
Note: NO limited ASW.
Agano costs 13. How can you say with a straight face this is equal?
The weak mains really hinder this unit, no matter how justified. This unit is trying for a difficult spot, we already have multiple DD and CL's with varied SA's right at this price range. I think something different is needed, not just MOTS.
I agree with the prevailing view that at 13 points Isuzu would be overcosted, but I do recognize she will need to cost higher than her sister Nagara because Isuzu has LL Torps (Nagara's card doesn't) and has better torp range than Nagara. I could handle 12 points if there was a good AA flavored SA included because the version of the ship depicted is her as an anti-aircraft cruiser (something like Desparate AA that is only used once?). I also agree to ditch the Limited ASW threat.
I disagree, it takes the later war upgrades to get to a mediocre AA6, adding a AA SA, when japan had got one in ever other team deck just isnt warranted.
I disagree, it takes the later war upgrades to get to a mediocre AA6, adding a AA SA, when japan had got one in ever other team deck just isnt warranted.
I disagree, it takes the later war upgrades to get to a mediocre AA6, adding a AA SA, when japan had got one in ever other team deck just isnt warranted.
Added, thats my personal opinion
Understood, however, iirc, that was the version that was requested when we voted. That would offer a CLAA variant that could be used, even with 6 AA. The earlier version CL that has been posted won't offer much that I can see. Maybe I'm missing something.
Ill add to it, that if i wanted to add a CLAA to the Japanese line up, id (and did) suggest the Nidoryi, increases the Odoyo (1943 AA 7x2, 13pts)class limit to 2 and Nidoryo could represent the original Sub flotilla leader intent of the design. Much better than this as class limit 1 1944 unit with the stats given already.