Transferring thread - please don't post here (Temeraire)

Originally posted by admiral_tee



Sorry Solo, I'm feeling a odd combination of being drained by this (pointless?) debate whilst recognising that I am "too close" to the subject matter. You present factual and mathematical points that have not been equivalently countered nor debated effectively and yet, here we still are.

Making the Temeraire a fun flavourful Royal Navy unit shouldn't be hard nor this difficult.
If there was enough support in the committee to make it so, we wouldn't be having this debate.
The one's who want a fun, full flavoured British Bulldog unit (with a historical basis) are either too few in number and/or don't have the influence to pull this off.
Seems past mistakes like the push through of the pet project Franken-Aufg-Scharnie will unfortunately impact the chance to present the pinnacle of RN design in WaS, the apex of several hundred years of Royal Navy tradition, power, prowess and attitiude.

Bye British Bulldog, the "Churchill of the seas". Aim lower, the British Settler, the "compromise by committee of the seas".

Aack.

Tee

<edit - FOr those chatting about the N3, this would not be the apex of RN BB design. No naval historian of any worth would rate the N3 above the Lion in a mid-late WW2 era conflict.>

Originally posted by ticat1

We do and are listening. As was previously stated, how many iterations did Graf Spee go through?

At this point, were all still just sharing perspectives and nothing at all is set in stone.

Can someone please do me a favour and play test this at 63 with DC and Stalwart? For me, personally, I like seeing things in actual action.

Originally posted by war at sea 4



You better make it Red vs Blue; pretty sure thats why the team wants it were it is.

I play tested it; granted alone; 2 Fredies and Tirpitz 195pts vs Vanguard--Lion --Temeraire with DC-- Stalwart at 62; 180 pt; fill in the rest
I chose; 2 Wellingtons UK ;; 1 bf110 Good luck UK

Originally posted by ticat1

I think one of the biggest issues we're having is that we're all wildly throwing darts rather than taking specific aim.

To me, this unit should come in between Tirpitz and Freddy capability wise. It should best Tirpitz most of the time and lose to Freddy most of the time but remain competitive against both.

Is that what everyone else is thinking?

Originally posted by au64

Throwing something wild and crazy out there to see what people think...

What if the Brits actually went ahead with the Hybrid Aircraft Carrier concept that they were planning for 1 of the 6 Lion class ships that were scheduled but ultimately cancelled?

Since this is a fantasy ship anyways, why not go WAY out there and build the following:

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HMS Temeraire
Ship - Battleship/Carrier Hybrid
Aircraft Capacity: 1
1943
Cost: 63
Speed: 2
MG: 15-14-13-12
2G: 5-5-4
AA: 8
A/VA/HP: 9/15/5

Extended Range 4 - While undamaged, this unit can make range-4 Main Gunnery attacks using its range-3 attack value.

Torpedo Defense 1 - Each torpedo hit rolled against this unit deals 1 less point of hull damage.

Hybrid: This unit counts as both a Battleship and a Carrier

Class Limit: 1

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For the cost swapped out the Damage Control and subtracted 2D across the Main Gun Line and added a Capacity of 1 for aircraft. Finally added in an SA that specified it as both a Carrier and a Battleship for other SA interactions such as CAP, Chase the Salvos, etc..

I realize that this unit and design was completely thrown out the window (and I expect no difference here)... but come on! How cool would this be on the table?

:hiding

At least everyone can get behind shooting this down. :wink:

Originally posted by Flakstruk

What about Radar Fire Control, is a technical specification after all

Edit, it would be correct i think that DC would restore RFC as ut does Extended range. Adding value to that SA

Edit 2: the vanguard had 1944 "Type 274" radar for fire cintrol

Originally posted by Flakstruk

Thay was proposed as a single SA, instead of stalwart or DC

I have no issue with it