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P1Y Frances **Done** Aug 22, 2020 17:26:06 GMT via mobile

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I like the idea of adding Harass from a Distance, since it makes Frances more markedly different from Peggy.

Is the SA more or less justified historically? (It makes sense that a fast bomber might attack at a longer range and speed away I suppose)

How much of a novel problem (Kondors and Jills aside) would it be for UK builds? Are the Seafire and Meteor apt enough to solve the range problem? (I would like to add that except for Montana and Midway range 1 AA values seem to be a bit low to consistent aborts on Frances)

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mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,324	P1Y Frances Done Aug 22, 2020 18:38:50 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Aug 22, 2020 18:38:50 GMT How many defensive buffs are we wanting to give this? A range 1 attack and also one less die?
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P1Y Frances **Done** Aug 22, 2020 19:09:27 GMT

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Aug 22, 2020 18:38:50 GMT mnnorthstars said:

How many defensive buffs are we wanting to give this? A range 1 attack and also one less die?

Just one IMO. From what I can tell from the book the Francis was not nearly as successful an aircraft as the Peggy.

I think the IJN and designer's decision to let speed be its main defense the Advanced Bomber SA we gave the Grace is the best fit.

Advanced Bomber - Enemy Fighters without Interceptor roll one fewer attack die against this unit. (Grace)

I am not sure it needs an attack buff. The difference in bomb value differentiates it.

Keep it a cost of 10 and the player can decide if the 2+ bomb is better than Light Defensive armament versus Advanced Bomber. If I was going up against capitol ships I would prefer the Peggy, if I thought my opponent would be heavy on cruisers and DD I would prefer the Francis.

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mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,324	P1Y Frances Done Aug 22, 2020 20:49:41 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Aug 22, 2020 20:49:41 GMT -1 die is about a 10% reduction in Fighter efficiency when this bomber is escorted.
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weedsrock2 Administrator Posts: 5,199	P1Y Frances Done Aug 22, 2020 21:56:02 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by weedsrock2 on Aug 22, 2020 21:56:02 GMT A 5/8 bomber doesn't really need a big defensive boost anyway.
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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,839	P1Y Frances Done Aug 23, 2020 0:43:11 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Aug 23, 2020 0:43:11 GMT I creates a landbased version of the jill is all.

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P1Y Frances **Done** Aug 23, 2020 3:39:32 GMT

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Aug 23, 2020 0:43:11 GMT flakstruk said:

I creates a landbased version of the jill is all.

Yeah, giving them both Harass from a Distance would make them pretty similar.

I would rather have an attack SA that increases the bomb attack value. One of these maybe?

FINISH HIM OFF: This unit rolls one extra attack die when attacking damaged Ships.

ACE BOMBER: Once per game, this unit may reroll one Bomb attack.

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P1Y Frances **Done** Aug 23, 2020 8:29:36 GMT via mobile

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Aug 23, 2020 3:39:32 GMT weedsrock2 said:

Aug 23, 2020 0:43:11 GMT flakstruk said:

I creates a landbased version of the jill is all.

Yeah, giving them both Harass from a Distance would make them pretty similar.

I would rather have an attack SA that increases the bomb attack value. One of these maybe?

FINISH HIM OFF: This unit rolls one extra attack die when attacking damaged Ships.

ACE BOMBER: Once per game, this unit may reroll one Bomb attack.

Which is the point though, there are times when a landbased option can be quite useful

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P1Y Frances **Done** Aug 23, 2020 17:39:51 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Aug 23, 2020 17:39:51 GMT

So these three? I guess I would be okay with that. Probably an 11/12 cost though.

P1Y Frances
Maker: Yokosuka
Introduced: 1944
Wingspan: 65 ft 7 in
Length: 49 ft 3 in
Speed: 340 mph at 19,344 ft
Forumini Speed: 19
Service Ceiling: 30, 800 ft
Armament: 2 x 20mm Type 99 Cannon (front and rear facing) 2,205 lbs bombs or 1 1,764 lb torpedo
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Suggested Stats (open for discussion)

Aircraft
Patrol bomber
Year: 1944
Cost:?
Bomb: 8
TT: 2
A/VA/HP: 5/8/1

Excellent Endurance - Once per game, at the beginning of the Air Mission phase, you may remove a Rearming counter from this unit.
Divide the Defense - Once per game you can declare you're using Divide the Defense. If you do, each Ship in this unit's sector gets -1 on each attack die when making Antiair attacks this turn, and this unit gets -1 on each attack die when making Bomb attacks and can't make Torpedo attacks this turn.
Advanced Bomber - Enemy Fighters without Interceptor roll one fewer attack die against this unit.

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CommanderSam Forumini Ensign Posts: 232	P1Y Frances Done Aug 24, 2020 8:35:00 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by CommanderSam on Aug 24, 2020 8:35:00 GMT Nice package. What would that be, 12? 13? I just regret we don't have the kamikaze fluff

waratsea4 Forumini Lieutenant Posts: 839	P1Y Frances Done Aug 24, 2020 18:12:53 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by waratsea4 on Aug 24, 2020 18:12:53 GMT That is a nice package; but anything over 11 points I believe puts her at the only PB at 12 I think 11 is right its got a little more than the Peggy and i don't think it needs to break new ground at 12

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P1Y Frances **Done** Aug 24, 2020 19:55:06 GMT via mobile

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Aug 22, 2020 18:38:50 GMT mnnorthstars said:

How many defensive buffs are we wanting to give this? A range 1 attack and also one less die?

I was thinking harrass as the main/only SA rather than lathering it in SAs

Dont feel the dtd/advanced bomber proposal.

weedsrock2 Administrator Posts: 5,199	P1Y Frances Done Aug 24, 2020 20:06:45 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by weedsrock2 on Aug 24, 2020 20:06:45 GMT It should at least get Excellent Endurance based on its specs.
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weedsrock2 Administrator Posts: 5,199	P1Y Frances Done Aug 24, 2020 20:07:26 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by weedsrock2 on Aug 24, 2020 20:07:26 GMT We also gave Divide the Defence to the Nell.
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Post by Theaetetus on Aug 22, 2020 17:26:06 GMT

Post by mnnorthstars on Aug 22, 2020 18:38:50 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Aug 22, 2020 19:09:27 GMT

Post by mnnorthstars on Aug 22, 2020 20:49:41 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Aug 22, 2020 21:56:02 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Aug 23, 2020 0:43:11 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Aug 23, 2020 3:39:32 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Aug 23, 2020 17:39:51 GMT

Post by CommanderSam on Aug 24, 2020 8:35:00 GMT

Post by waratsea4 on Aug 24, 2020 18:12:53 GMT

Post by Theaetetus on Aug 24, 2020 18:27:40 GMT

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