USS Somers **Done**

Not likely to happen. Honestly, I wish RB had given all USN units "normal" torpedo stats and included a rule under "Historical Limits" in the rule book that gave US torpedoes something like Defective Torps in 1941-1942. Would have cleaned up quite a bit, including not only DDs but USN subs and torpedo bombers, and reflected the fact that the US did indeed have crappy torpedoes at the beginning of the war, but eventually got it worked out. Didn't happen, and at no point has this forum gone done the road of revising the rulebook or doing a bulk re-issue of a bunch of cards. If folks want to house rule stuff, go for it, but these cards are being designed for play "in the wild" with the cards from the original game and the team decks, not for any particular set of house rules.

I'd also point out that USN DDs, even without Defective Torps, don't have particularly stellar torpedo stat lines. I'd call most of them "average" at best (2/2/1/-). They really shine in other areas like gunnery, and in the case of the Fletchers, armor. And as mentioned before, there are plenty of good SAs on them that make them attractive in game play. If you're counting on USN DD torpedoes to win a game for you, I wish you the best of luck.

I stand by my previous comment that adding Defective Torps to this unit will likely keep it out of most games, simply because the USN has so many better options that don't have to deal with that SA. Give it 2/2/2/- or 3/2/1/- torps at 9 points and call it good.

That every unit must get used competitively is a false errand. There are historical/scenarip players in the community as well.

So over the week I took a chance to playtest the unit at 9pts w/o DT and 8pts w/DT1.

Here's what I found:

At 9pts without the defective torps, my opponent actually paid them more attention and they never got a Torpedo shot off.

At 8pts with the defective torps 1, my opponent actually focused on what he thought were bigger threats. This enabled them to get in range and get some torps off, Interestingly enough all 5 salvos were not defective (rolled 2+) and none of them (9 total torps) hit on the 6. Go figure...

So with that information I'd still like to see it at 8 points and DT1 rather than 9 points without DT. I think it provides a dynamic to the game no one has brought up yet and can effect how your opponent also views the pieces and selects targets.

I'll vote for 9, no DT1.

9 and no DT1