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USS Hancock *DONE* Oct 1, 2019 2:30:08 GMT

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USS HANCOCK
Class: Essex Class Carrier
Commission: April 1944
Fate: Scrapped 1976
Displacement: 27,000 tons standard
Length (OA):872 ft
Beam: 93 ft
Speed: 33 kts
Armament: 12 x 5in/38 DP (4 x 2, 4 x 1) 32 x 40mm AA (8 x 4) 46 x 20mm AA (46 x 1)
Aircraft Capacity: 90-100

Ship-Carrier
1944
Cost:?
Speed: 2
Cap: 4
MG: 6-6-5
AA: 8
A/VA/HP: 4/11/4
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Her entire WW2 career consisted of attacking airfields and destroying enemy fighters on land, attacking other installations and attacking shipping. She carried Hellcats, Helldivers and Avengers for her years of service in the war

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USS Hancock *DONE* Oct 1, 2019 10:18:14 GMT via mobile

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From the voting thread

USS Hancock. Essex class, long hull type. Rates flag. Flag differentiates her from her sisters without requiring a competing SA Suite.

Wikipedia details

"She became flagship of the Fast Carrier Task Force (TF 38) on 17 November 1944 when Admiral McCain came on board."

texasarcher Deck E playtester Posts: 436	USS Hancock DONE Oct 2, 2019 14:08:33 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by texasarcher on Oct 2, 2019 14:08:33 GMT Things like airfield strike come to mind... Not much in terms of the typical carrier SA. Could be like Ranger, which is a cheap cap 3. How cheap do we dare go for a cap 4???

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USS Hancock *DONE* Oct 2, 2019 15:17:06 GMT via mobile

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Oct 2, 2019 14:08:33 GMT texasarcher said:

Things like airfield strike come to mind... Not much in terms of the typical carrier SA. Could be like Ranger, which is a cheap cap 3. How cheap do we dare go for a cap 4???

What about

Expert Dogfighter 2
Airfield Strike

EDF2 makes AS more effective and is a good ability unto itself. Having just those two will also keep the cost a tad lower than the other Essex class

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USS Hancock *DONE* Oct 2, 2019 16:07:51 GMT Skylord17 likes this

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Post by au64 on Oct 2, 2019 16:07:51 GMT

Possible SA's:

Flag 1

AirField Strike: Once per game, you can deploy a Fighter to your opponent's land airbase during the air mission phase. That Fighter can make an Antiair attack against one enemy aircraft deployed at the base

Installation Strike: Once per turn, when a friendly Dive Bomber damages and enemy Installation, that Installation gets -1 on each attack die when making Gunnery attack rolls this turn

Landing Leader: You get +1 initiative for each additional Ship you control with a Landing ability, up to a maximum of +3

Convoy Air Cover (NEW): Once per turn, you may choose a Fighter from this carrier which is assigned to a sector with an Auxiliary or a ship that has a LANDING SA. That fighter rolls one extra attack die when making Anti-air attacks for this turn.

Installation Tactics (NEW): Once per turn, you may choose a Dive Bomber from this carrier which is assigned to a sector with an enemy installation. That Dive Bomber rolls one extra attack die when making Anti-air attacks for this turn.

**Note that the two new abilities would stack with EDF/EDB from other carriers, as currently worded.

flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,839	USS Hancock DONE Oct 3, 2019 8:59:15 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Oct 3, 2019 8:59:15 GMT One of the sister has airfield strike. Give it flag and edf and call it done. Essexes are undercost already.

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USS Hancock *DONE* Oct 3, 2019 18:13:23 GMT via mobile

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Oct 3, 2019 15:58:00 GMT texasarcher said:

Since installations are coming out pretty regularly, Installation Strike would be good for a new SA that kind of fits her history...

I'm good with this as well. Just this SA on its own, and put it low 20s

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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,839	USS Hancock DONE Oct 4, 2019 6:00:29 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Oct 4, 2019 6:00:29 GMT The class as a whole is broken cheap. A cheap sister is huge problem. Flag gives it differentiation without SAs beyond experts. Flag is in itself a flavor/historical ability.

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USS Hancock *DONE* Oct 4, 2019 9:29:56 GMT

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Oct 3, 2019 18:13:23 GMT ticat1 said:

Oct 3, 2019 15:58:00 GMT texasarcher said:

Since installations are coming out pretty regularly, Installation Strike would be good for a new SA that kind of fits her history...

I'm good with this as well. Just this SA on its own, and put it low 20s

I hope you aren't serious about a cost in the low 20's for this, are you?

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USS Hancock *DONE* Oct 4, 2019 16:38:32 GMT via mobile

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Oct 4, 2019 9:29:56 GMT 12-7-gamer said:

Oct 3, 2019 18:13:23 GMT ticat1 said:

I'm good with this as well. Just this SA on its own, and put it low 20s

I hope you aren't serious about a cost in the low 20's for this, are you?

Essex is 28
Intrepid 26
Bunker Hill 27 (it's got Installation Strike as well as EDF and EB)
Hornet 26 with a OPG fighter AA reroll and EDF

with one very niche SA and no expert bonuses I could see it at 24 or 25. What do we value Expert SAs at?

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USS Hancock *DONE* Oct 4, 2019 16:48:58 GMT

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Oct 4, 2019 16:38:32 GMT ticat1 said:

Oct 4, 2019 9:29:56 GMT 12-7-gamer said:

I hope you aren't serious about a cost in the low 20's for this, are you?

Essex is 28
Intrepid 26
Bunker Hill 27 (it's got Installation Strike as well as EDF and EB)
Hornet 26 with a OPG fighter AA reroll and EDF

with one very niche SA and no expert bonuses I could see it at 24 or 25. What do we value Expert SAs at?

The value of the Essex Class carrier in the game is its Cap 4 capability. I hope you aren't seriously considering this.

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USS Hancock *DONE* Oct 4, 2019 17:55:04 GMT via mobile

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Oct 4, 2019 16:48:58 GMT 12-7-gamer said:

Oct 4, 2019 16:38:32 GMT ticat1 said:

Essex is 28
Intrepid 26
Bunker Hill 27 (it's got Installation Strike as well as EDF and EB)
Hornet 26 with a OPG fighter AA reroll and EDF

with one very niche SA and no expert bonuses I could see it at 24 or 25. What do we value Expert SAs at?

The value of the Essex Class carrier in the game is its Cap 4 capability. I hope you aren't seriously considering this.

So we give it a totally niche SA and make it 26, let's say, which is the least expensive one we've got. I could take this at 26 or I could get one with EDF and an AA reroll for the same cost.

Or pay 1 point more and get one with the exact same SA plus 2 more.

We put this any higher than 25 and it'll never see the light of day

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USS Hancock *DONE* Oct 5, 2019 10:46:45 GMT via mobile

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Post by flakstruk on Oct 5, 2019 10:46:45 GMT

Looks at the akagi and kaga at 27...

None of the late war carriers have flag. Theres no need of SAs beyond experts if it has flag. And flag2 is an ability that drives use on its own - there is no need for more flavour SAs

And there is no requirement for a cost discount

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USS Hancock *DONE* Oct 5, 2019 13:53:43 GMT

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Oct 4, 2019 17:55:04 GMT ticat1 said:

Oct 4, 2019 16:48:58 GMT 12-7-gamer said:

We put this any higher than 25 and it'll never see the light of day

That may be true, unfortunately, that is the case with most units now. I can see making a unit to fit a niche, but I caution against inadvertent power creep. My suggestion is an SA that provides a bonus for Installation attacks, but don't have a cost lower than 26. I just wish we didn't have any Essex with a cost of 26, but it is what it is. I would use 26 as the absolute minimum for any Cap 4 carrier to help maintain game balance.

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