I'm still using SWO's Me262. Good but not game breaking. We have British BB's that aren't even done yet, maybe do that before talking about a float plane Warspite?
as I said if you include subclasses and every single small and old rustbucket the US Navy kept around (not to mention sneaking in separate category ships like a DM) then you have about a dozen which have no cards et all , according to your list. While as I said some reprints would be nice with different SAs, the game is not detailed enough, especially at the DD level, to make a meaningful separation between for example a Benson and a Gleaves. You need a War in the Pacific AE level grognard game to make those stand out. So while I'M not against having more cards from really big DD classes I don't think that an n+1 'almost exactly the same stat DD' would add too much to the game.
You asked me to provide examples of DD classes I was talking about being under represented with one or none in game. I came up with more than 40, could have dug deeper but I felt that was adequate. You essentially responded by saying "no that's fake news".
1. I did not "sneak in" the Robert H. Smith destroyer mine layer class, it's a legitimate DD class we have no card for. 2. Benson/Gleaves class comes to 96 ships, many heavily involved in fighting, asking to have more than one card for them is not unreasonable. 3. Yes many of the British classes can be combined (or not) I combined some and split some just based on how they are in my card binder, could be done a variety of other ways. 4. Sumner class has two official cards from WOC/RB in Sumner and Laffey so I did not include it. This does not change the fact we have zero Gearing class.
All that being said, Flakstruk's statement about one pre war and one war time destroyer for the major nations suits me just fine. 1945 USN is already a nightmare to play against, they hardly need a 5th Iowa late war power unit. However if the majority of people really want a B-66 card I don't see the harm in making one.
Posted this for discussion in the capital section but would probably be a useful resource here.
France
Bourrasque Classx12, we have 0, Brigman has done 1.
L'adroit Class x14, we have 1.
Le Hardi Classx8, we have 1.
Chacal and Guepard class x12, we have 2, Brigman has done 1.
La Melpomene Classx12, we have 0
Italy
Turbine Classx8, we have 1, SWO has done 1.
Group of smaller classes, Mirabellox2, Sellax2, Saurox4, Frecciax4, Folgorex4, Maestralex4, 20 ships total we have 0, Brigman has done 2 I believe.
Japan
Momi Classx15, we have 0.
Wakatake Classx7, we have 0.
Minekaze Classx15, we have 0, Seas Ablaze did 1.
Kamikaze Classx9, we have 1.
Mutsuki Classx12, we have 1, SWO has done 1.
Fubuki Classx24, we have 1, Brigman and Swizzle have done a couple. Fubuki class was such a leap forward in destroyer design we should really have more of them.
Asashio Classx10, we have 1, Brigman did 1.
Yugumo Classx19, we have 1, Brigman and SWO each did 1.
Matsu Class x18, we have 1, Brigman did 1.
Tachibana Class x14, we have 0, Swizzle did 1.
UK
Hunt I,II,and III classx72 (+14 to minors) we have 1, Swizzle did 1.
S-class(1916)x11, we have 0.
V&W Classx50, we have 0. Brigman did 1.
Town Classx50 (from U.S.) we have 0. SWO did one.
A&B Classx18, we have 1. Brigman did 2.
C&D Classx7, we have 0.
E&F Classx18, we have 1. Brigman did 1.
G&H Classx22, we have 1.
I classx11, we have 0. Seas Ablaze did 1.
Tribal Classx16, we have 1. SWO and Seas Ablaze each did 1.
J classx8, we have 1. Seas ablaze did 1.
K Classx8, we have 0. Brigman did 1.
L Classx8, we have 1.
M Classx7, we have 0. Brigman did 1.
U&V Classx14, we have 0.
W&Z Classx16, we have 0.
C Classx8 (+26 post war), we have 0.
Battle Classx7 (+19 post war), we have 1.
O&P Classx16, we have 0. Seas Ablaze did 1.
Q&R Classx13 (+3 to AU), we have 0.
USA
Wickes Classx111, we have 1.
Clemson Classx156, we have 1. SA and SWO did 1 each.
I'm strongly in favor of more small ships. Dozens of classes of DD's in the war with 10+ ships built and we have one card or none to represent them.
Can you please provide a few? I highly doubt this (I'm talking about the major navies, not the minors). True that we are still missing a few of the USN sub classes and maybe one-two sisterships would be nice from the big classes, but I highly doubt there are 'dozens'...
France Bourrasque Classx12, we have 0, Brigman has done 1. L'adroit Class x14, we have 1. Le Hardi Classx8, we have 1. Chacal and Guepard class x12, we have 2, Brigman has done 1. La Melpomene Classx12, we have 0
Italy Turbine Classx8, we have 1, SWO has done 1. Group of smaller classes, Mirabellox2, Sellax2, Saurox4, Frecciax4, Folgorex4, Maestralex4, 20 ships total we have 0, Brigman has done 2 I believe.
Japan Momi Classx15, we have 0. Wakatake Classx7, we have 0. Minekaze Classx15, we have 0, Seas Ablaze did 1. Kamikaze Classx9, we have 1. Mutsuki Classx12, we have 1, SWO has done 1. Fubuki Classx24, we have 1, Brigman and Swizzle have done a couple. Fubuki class was such a leap forward in destroyer design we should really have more of them. Asashio Classx10, we have 1, Brigman did 1. Yugumo Classx19, we have 1, Brigman and SWO each did 1. Matsu Class x18, we have 1, Brigman did 1. Tachibana Class x14, we have 0, Swizzle did 1.
UK Hunt I,II,and III classx72 (+14 to minors) we have 1, Swizzle did 1. S-class(1916)x11, we have 0. V&W Classx50, we have 0. Brigman did 1. Town Classx50 (from U.S.) we have 0. SWO did one. A&B Classx18, we have 1. Brigman did 2. C&D Classx7, we have 0. E&F Classx18, we have 1. Brigman did 1. G&H Classx22, we have 1. I classx11, we have 0. Seas Ablaze did 1. Tribal Classx16, we have 1. SWO and Seas Ablaze each did 1. J classx8, we have 1. Seas ablaze did 1. K Classx8, we have 0. Brigman did 1. L Classx8, we have 1. M Classx7, we have 0. Brigman did 1. U&V Classx14, we have 0. W&Z Classx16, we have 0. C Classx8 (+26 post war), we have 0. Battle Classx7 (+19 post war), we have 1. O&P Classx16, we have 0. Seas Ablaze did 1. Q&R Classx13 (+3 to AU), we have 0.
USA Wickes Classx111, we have 1. Clemson Classx156, we have 1. SA and SWO did 1 each. Farraut Classx8, we have 1. Porter class x8, we have 1. SA and Brigman did 1. Mahan Class x18, we have 1. Bagley Classx8, we have 1. SA and Brigman did 1. Benham Classx10, we have 1, Brigman did 1. Sims Classx12, we have 1, Brigman did 1. Benson Classx30, we have 0, Brigmand did 2. Gleaves Classx66, we have 1, Swizzle did 1 Robert H Smith Classx12, we have 0. Gearing Classx30ish by end of war, we have 0.
That's about 4 dozen right there, without getting into the conjectural mess of the USSR/German DD's that may or may not have been built. In fairness I use Brigman, SA,SWO, and Swizzle card as official and a number of older custom cards exist (AntS,ND,jfkziegler,etc), however not everyone does so I listed them separate. Even including all custom card makers we have a huge number of remaining possibilities.
Something along the lines of what Brigs & SWO are doing. Ideas welcome and help improving where possible on a card.
Too many cooks and all that springs to mind.
It seemed to me the public picking of the last deck seemed to unravel a bit and some votes were just throw on to something that was gathering momentum and so 'must be worth it'. Possibly swayed by who had said what as well, if you know what I mean.
Anyway, anything to speed the process back up as I think the drawn out process definitely led to some stagnation, resignation and possibly hallucination!. Although admittedly a lot of the slow down seemed to come later in the process.
Spot on sir. The Brigs & SWO project not only produces some great cards but seems to foster a friendly development environment.
I am surprised they hasn't been any backlash yet on fantasy units.
Opinions very so widely on these it seems. Some don't want them at all, some want all they can get. Personally I can deal with things that could have been built in the time of the war i.e. Montana, Tahio sister; however I can't stomach the ships never built in the 20's or scrapped way before the war i.e. N3 class, British WW1 battle cruisers, Tillmann ships, etc. I know others feel the opposite and I see where they are coming from. Lots of you play online and that seems to be where the real conflict arises about fantasy units no? If you are against fantasy and Tosa shows up in an online battle, once it's a legal card you can't get it out of there again. I only play in person in a situation where I supply all the ships, cards, and accessories so I if I don't like a unit it just stays out of the binder....