SA Survivor. When do you roll for the SA?

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SA Survivor. When do you roll for the SA? Sept 15, 2017 23:35:36 GMT

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Post by Swizzle on Sept 15, 2017 23:35:36 GMT

Sept 15, 2017 19:24:15 GMT admvontirpitz said:

Does the USS Enterprise's survivor roll occur immediately upon destruction, at the end of that players surface attack, or at the end of the surface attack phase?

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Swizzle Deck E developer Club KM Großadmiral Posts: 1,492	SA Survivor. When do you roll for the SA? Sept 15, 2017 23:36:40 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Swizzle on Sept 15, 2017 23:36:40 GMT My guess is that you do it as soon as you know she was vitaled, so that you may learn that she was/wasn't.
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admvontirpitz Forumini Lieutenant Posts: 938	SA Survivor. When do you roll for the SA? Sept 16, 2017 0:13:13 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by admvontirpitz on Sept 16, 2017 0:13:13 GMT Thanks for posting this. That was my guess as well, but figured I'd clarify.

mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,163	SA Survivor. When do you roll for the SA? Sept 16, 2017 2:25:50 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Sept 16, 2017 2:25:50 GMT "If this unit receives hits..." Hits are received when they are given. I roll the dice, I count the hits, you receive them immediately.
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admvontirpitz Forumini Lieutenant Posts: 938	SA Survivor. When do you roll for the SA? Sept 16, 2017 2:32:33 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by admvontirpitz on Sept 16, 2017 2:32:33 GMT Thanks. Figured as much but wanted to be sure before I decided on an attack.

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SA Survivor. When do you roll for the SA? Sept 16, 2017 4:24:23 GMT

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Post by waratsea4 on Sept 16, 2017 4:24:23 GMT

The rules on pages 25;;34 and 35 pretty well tell you how and when to place damage counters and timing of damage effects;
But some SA's especially with Bonus Hull Points need to be resolved instantly; Survivor-- Near Miss-- Torpedo Survivor--- Tenacity; so on
Since you can roll against a ship multiple times and the SA can alter the attack results--the attacker needs to know before the end of the phase.
This SA is also not used against Torpedo attacks and if already crippled.

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SA Survivor. When do you roll for the SA? Sept 16, 2017 21:47:26 GMT

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Sept 16, 2017 4:24:23 GMT waratsea4 said:

The rules on pages 25;;34 and 35 pretty well tell you how and when to place damage counters and timing of damage effects;
But some SA's especially with Bonus Hull Points need to be resolved instantly; Survivor-- Near Miss-- Torpedo Survivor--- Tenacity; so on
Since you can roll against a ship multiple times and the SA can alter the attack results--the attacker needs to know before the end of the phase.
This SA is also not used against Torpedo attacks and if already crippled.

When a ship comes back to life with survivor, near miss, et al it does not come back with the effects of crippled. Correct?

Swizzle Deck E developer Club KM Großadmiral Posts: 1,492	SA Survivor. When do you roll for the SA? Sept 16, 2017 22:33:00 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Swizzle on Sept 16, 2017 22:33:00 GMT Because it never got "vitaled", and it only took 1 hit ... it's not crippled. However, if a ship survives with only 1 hit point ... then it is crippled.
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SA Survivor. When do you roll for the SA? Sept 18, 2017 4:01:29 GMT

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Post by waratsea4 on Sept 18, 2017 4:01:29 GMT

Sept 16, 2017 21:47:26 GMT admvontirpitz said:

Sept 16, 2017 4:24:23 GMT waratsea4 said:

The rules on pages 25;;34 and 35 pretty well tell you how and when to place damage counters and timing of damage effects;
But some SA's especially with Bonus Hull Points need to be resolved instantly; Survivor-- Near Miss-- Torpedo Survivor--- Tenacity; so on
Since you can roll against a ship multiple times and the SA can alter the attack results--the attacker needs to know before the end of the phase.
This SA is also not used against Torpedo attacks and if already crippled.

When a ship comes back to life with survivor, near miss, et al it does not come back with the effects of crippled. Correct?

As swizzle noted; no; not until you hit it enough to cripple it. Hence with Survivor you could possibly vital Enterprise 3 times
in a turn before crippling her;rolll those lucky 5's; If you do it a fourth time no need to roll for Survivor last Hull point is now gone.
Highly unlikely just an example on why you have to know damage with SA's as this, and apply it before the end of the phase.

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SA Survivor. When do you roll for the SA?

Post by Swizzle on Sept 15, 2017 23:35:36 GMT

Post by Swizzle on Sept 15, 2017 23:36:40 GMT

Post by admvontirpitz on Sept 16, 2017 0:13:13 GMT

Post by mnnorthstars on Sept 16, 2017 2:25:50 GMT

Post by admvontirpitz on Sept 16, 2017 2:32:33 GMT

Post by waratsea4 on Sept 16, 2017 4:24:23 GMT

Post by admvontirpitz on Sept 16, 2017 21:47:26 GMT

Post by Swizzle on Sept 16, 2017 22:33:00 GMT

Post by waratsea4 on Sept 18, 2017 4:01:29 GMT

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