Another what if !! I think its safe to say; what was was going on in the minds of all those involved in the debacle they called Force Z. POW and Repulse getting caught by PB's with no air cover. Something that might have made that a little more interesting; what if Indomitable doesn't have an encounter with a reef and sails with the Repulse and POW. I think better yet; what if the powers to be keep the IJA air forces from them Force Z and it's added to ABDACOM A lot of what if's can happen between Dec 10 and the Battles around Java in February / March:: If Force Z survived the UK probably would have called it home after the fall of Singapore. But if not Would it have slowed the invasion of Java ?? Would the IJN been able to send some of its bigger ships to the area ?? Would the allies have possibly inflicted more damage and escaped to Australia with less loses ??
I dont think the Admiralty would have committed POW and R to ABDA. There was talk about sending them to Pearl Harbor but the most likely place for them to go if they survived the fall of Singapore was back to the Indian Ocean.
Indomitable cant realistically make it to singapore by the time force Z sails.
The RAF had a plan to offer top cover but it wasnt well executed. Even minor damage would have sent either ship to sydney or capetown for repairs.
Indian ocean raids get interesting when you introduce 2 fast modern escorts for the FEF
From what i've read there are a few tales here; It was planed; the accident with the reef; it was to late to follow POW: again What ifs; reads like the Admiralty didn't know what it wanted to do. I don't feel the Indian Ocean Raid would have resulted in anything different; unless the modern UK carriers are present. Being around Java at the time of its invasion may have made for some interesting possibilities; the IJN carriers were a little stretched at the time and keeping the supply lines to Java opened or at least making the IJN put more resources into closing it off, could well have changed history a bit.
Another interesting what if. How would events have gone had the light cruisers HMS Danae, Dragon, Mauritius, and destroyers Encounter and Jupiter been fully repaired on December 8th instead of being under repair at Singapore. The addition of these ships would certainly had made Force Z a bit more powerful, though still good targets for aircraft. Add to that, had the British seen the Japanese flare dropped over the Chokai on the stormy night of December 9 while the Japanese fleet and British were between 5 and 25 miles apart, it might have been interesting if the two forces had met, especially with the British force augmented by the old light cruisers. I am not entirely sure what the Japanese had here but since the float plane was from the float plane that dropped the flare on Chokai was from the light cruiser Kinu. There was also the light cruiser Yuru, and the heavy cruisers Suzuya and Kumano. One more CA I think. One of the more interesting and detailed account of Force Z's demise is in RISING SUN FALLING SKIES by Jeffrey R. Cox. Four US Edsall type destroyers were also supposed to join Force Z but they were too distant when the British sailed. Things were happening too quickly and Admiral Philips didn't believe there was time to wait for other ships.
Indomitable cant realistically make it to singapore by the time force Z sails.
The RAF had a plan to offer top cover but it wasnt well executed. Even minor damage would have sent either ship to sydney or capetown for repairs.
Indian ocean raids get interesting when you introduce 2 fast modern escorts for the FEF
From what i've read there are a few tales here; It was planed; the accident with the reef; it was to late to follow POW: again What ifs; reads like the Admiralty didn't know what it wanted to do. I don't feel the Indian Ocean Raid would have resulted in anything different; unless the modern UK carriers are present. Being around Java at the time of its invasion may have made for some interesting possibilities; the IJN carriers were a little stretched at the time and keeping the supply lines to Java opened or at least making the IJN put more resources into closing it off, could well have changed history a bit.
It was planned, but there simply wasnt time to move the ship.
Were any of those C-D class AA cruisers antshrike?
No, the D class was not reconfigured as AA cruisers and their presence would only have offered the Japanese more targets on December 10th. However, they certainly could have added to a sea battle the night of December 9th more interesting. If you are putting together a War at Sea scenario, the D class cruiser is actually a fairly good unit using the Dunedin SAs, especially if there is more then one of them. Reading Cox's book, you can also see the British were also getting some bad breaks and the Japanese pilots some lucky ones that did not have to happen. Maybe a few other targets around could have altered the chances of getting those lucky shots.
I read an article yesterday about this period. It seems that admiralty had planned to send Ark Royal to the Pacific, but it was sunk in the Mediterranean before it happenned. What if would then include Ark Royal as air cover (not the worst for UK).
I read an article yesterday about this period. It seems that admiralty had planned to send Ark Royal to the Pacific, but it was sunk in the Mediterranean before it happenned. What if would then include Ark Royal as air cover (not the worst for UK).
This makes me happy, i like any excuse to field AR