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Build challenge Jun 11, 2023 17:58:09 GMT via mobile

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Post by lurkskywaker199 on Jun 11, 2023 17:58:09 GMT

Tank destroyers in my group are often used as a cheaper alternative to the heavier tanks. Germany especially has many good tank destroyers in the 20-30 pt range. What are the best ways to exploit the weaknesses of a German build with 2 of these tank destroyers and the rest being assorted infantry and maybe a stuka. (In case you can’t tell I’m stumped lol 😆)

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Build challenge Jun 11, 2023 18:52:18 GMT

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Post by curtm1911 on Jun 11, 2023 18:52:18 GMT

What country is opposing Germany?

USSR has the SU-85 to match the StuG IIIG, SU-76 can do damage also. T34's are always workable. The Russian ATG's are good as well.

US/UK have some decent choices too. 17pdr ATG can work if you use ATG's at all. The 6pdr & the Entrenched ATG are effective at times. The M-10/M18/M-36 TD's for the US can hurt with "Flanking Attack" and the M-18 Hellcat/GMC has "Strike & Fade 1" even. Ambush with Bazooka teams if possible/when possible.

Machine guns & infantry for the German infantry & perhaps a Quad .50 or for real sporting fun, a BOFORS for the Stuka & other assorted soft targets in it's Long Range of 5-10 or the Quad's Double Shot.

The Formations are a good base for your infantry contingent & ya gotta have the foot sloggers & some Artillery can help too.

Good Luck! Hope this helps some.

Last Edit: Jun 11, 2023 23:32:52 GMT by curtm1911

mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,164	Build challenge Jun 11, 2023 19:29:25 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Jun 11, 2023 19:29:25 GMT Long range artillery with indirect fire?
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Build challenge Jun 12, 2023 1:17:35 GMT via mobile

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Post by lurkskywaker199 on Jun 12, 2023 1:17:35 GMT

Indirect fire artillery is always a favorite of mine 😊, I thought of using antitank guns to oppose the Tank destroyers but was worried that they might not be mobile enough but I could always use trucks to move them along.

curtm1911 Forumini Captain 1000 posts, Captain, cool. Thanks Forumini! Posts: 1,613	Build challenge Jun 13, 2023 17:59:37 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by curtm1911 on Jun 13, 2023 17:59:37 GMT Initial placement can also sometimes "Channel" the TD's to where you have good coverage & sufficient shots to deal with the opposing targets. Good use of Combined Arms can be fun & effective...dice permitting...lol

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Build challenge Jun 14, 2023 9:54:25 GMT

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Post by bartok on Jun 14, 2023 9:54:25 GMT

Jun 11, 2023 17:58:09 GMT lurkskywaker199 said:

Tank destroyers in my group are often used as a cheaper alternative to the heavier tanks. Germany especially has many good tank destroyers in the 20-30 pt range. What are the best ways to exploit the weaknesses of a German build with 2 of these tank destroyers and the rest being assorted infantry and maybe a stuka. (In case you can’t tell I’m stumped lol 😆)

can you specific if your are using year limit and what country is fighting against Germany normally (France, Poland, UK, USA, Soviets? Guess in 100 pts match.

Last Edit: Jun 14, 2023 9:57:51 GMT by bartok

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Build challenge Jun 14, 2023 15:32:22 GMT via mobile

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Post by lurkskywaker199 on Jun 14, 2023 15:32:22 GMT

I typically use the soviets but I have been in a funk lately with my tanks having no luck against the tank destroyers, causing me to experiment more with less tank heavy builds not just to work against the Germans but to give me a better idea of the way the units mesh.

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Build challenge Jun 14, 2023 16:29:33 GMT

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Post by curtm1911 on Jun 14, 2023 16:29:33 GMT

The Germans do have some brutes for TD's for sure. Figure you can get 2x ATG's usually for the cost of a TD, sometimes 3x for a couple points more than the TD. Infantry to protect & possibly "Close Assault" a Disrupted/Damaged vehicle. The ATR is even usable if you can get close enough & a rear target shot. The 76.2mm ATG also has decent AI numbers @ 5-8 hexes, range 10 vs vehicles, the 57mm is good, used in pairs mutually covering & a nice field of fire.

If you can do online maps & games, we can always explore different strategies if you like.

Happy Gaming!

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Build challenge Jun 15, 2023 7:20:12 GMT

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Post by bartok on Jun 15, 2023 7:20:12 GMT

Your german fella use tank destroyers:

Panzerjager I 1940
MARDER II V1 1942
MARDER III Ausf M 1943
ELITE Stug III Ausf G 1943
Jagdpanzer 38 (T) HETZER V1 1944
JAGDPANTHER 1944
Jagdtiger 1944
JAGDPANTHER IV/70 V 1944
JAGDPANTHER IV/48 1944
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T-34/76 1941
KV-1 1942
Veteran SU-76M 1943
SU-76M 1943
SU-85 1943
ISU-122 1944

Compare dates. Experiment teams with these tank destroyers, always with one point of front defense above the Germans and some points to invest in others preferences (infantry and command). T-34 & KV-1 take the role of anti tank and anti infantry since 1941.

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Post by tragicmishap on Aug 30, 2023 0:14:56 GMT

Jun 11, 2023 17:58:09 GMT lurkskywaker199 said:

Tank destroyers in my group are often used as a cheaper alternative to the heavier tanks. Germany especially has many good tank destroyers in the 20-30 pt range. What are the best ways to exploit the weaknesses of a German build with 2 of these tank destroyers and the rest being assorted infantry and maybe a stuka. (In case you can’t tell I’m stumped lol 😆)

Use an all infantry build with good close assault values. Charge them and get into their hex and close assault their rear defense. Tank Destroyers, especially German ones, tend to suck hard against infantry.

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