Convoy Ship Stats

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Convoy Ship Stats Oct 28, 2022 11:54:42 GMT

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Post by admiralduncan on Oct 28, 2022 11:54:42 GMT

I don't know if this was ever officially sorted, but I can't find it on the clarifications doc.

A convoy ship in the convoy scenario has 3 hull points. It goes on to state that the stats are identical to Jeremiah O'Brien, but that unit has only 2 hull points.

So the question is, does a convoy ship in the convoy scenario have 2 or 3 hull points?

This makes a massive difference.

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mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,165	Convoy Ship Stats Oct 28, 2022 12:42:49 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Oct 28, 2022 12:42:49 GMT I’m not aware of any modifications germane to the topic.
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Convoy Ship Stats Oct 28, 2022 14:42:43 GMT

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Post by admiralduncan on Oct 28, 2022 14:42:43 GMT

Yeah, it's hard to believe that such a major issue with an official scenario has never been resolved.

My gut instinct is that it should match the Jeremiah O'Brien with 2 hull, but I don't know if playtesting found the convoy side needed the assistance, thus the extra hull point, or whether that was just a misprint? It is a shame that the same mistake has been replicated in both editions of the rulebook.

Well, my Naval Battles PtII has 4 convoy scenarios, so I guess I'm about to find out what works in playtesting.

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Convoy Ship Stats Oct 28, 2022 16:46:55 GMT

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Post by oscsusnret on Oct 28, 2022 16:46:55 GMT

Convoy scenarios are tough. Being that the merchant ship only moves 1 means that for game play you will lose nearly all the convoy just trying to reach their destination.

That being said what our group has done is allow over stacking of the hex/square where we allow three ships regardless of an escort SA. This allows you to have either three merchants or two merchants and a DD or a combination. Gives them some protection against enemy AA protection against A/C.

Just a suggestion.

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mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,165	Convoy Ship Stats Oct 28, 2022 17:51:46 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Oct 28, 2022 17:51:46 GMT You can also double stack Guard the Convoy that way.
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Convoy Ship Stats Oct 28, 2022 19:50:53 GMT

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Oct 28, 2022 16:46:55 GMT oscsusnret said:

Convoy scenarios are tough. Being that the merchant ship only moves 1 means that for game play you will lose nearly all the convoy just trying to reach their destination.

That being said what our group has done is allow over stacking of the hex/square where we allow three ships regardless of an escort SA. This allows you to have either three merchants or two merchants and a DD or a combination. Gives them some protection against enemy AA protection against A/C.

Just a suggestion.

When you play a convoy scenario what hull value do you use? 2 or 3?

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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 8,377	Convoy Ship Stats Oct 29, 2022 0:38:15 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Oct 29, 2022 0:38:15 GMT Almost certainly a typo. A 2000t tramp wouldnt be much use in atlantic routes

oscsusnret Forumini Lieutenant Posts: 510	Convoy Ship Stats Oct 29, 2022 1:16:04 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by oscsusnret on Oct 29, 2022 1:16:04 GMT We use three hull. Also some escorts have convoy guard or protect the convoy which means they have to be targeted by the enemy before they can target the convoy ship. this helps as well.
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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 8,377	Convoy Ship Stats Oct 29, 2022 5:06:38 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Oct 29, 2022 5:06:38 GMT Also, the scenario is turn limited [15]. You could sit your freighters in the deploymemt zone for 3 turns before moving rather than charging into enemy guns.

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Convoy Ship Stats Oct 29, 2022 9:27:24 GMT

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Post by admiralduncan on Oct 29, 2022 9:27:24 GMT

Oct 29, 2022 0:38:15 GMT flakstruk said:

Almost certainly a typo. A 2000t tramp wouldnt be much use in atlantic routes

Yeah, it's hard to think these ships would have the same hull as a cruiser that has some level of armour and warship compartmentalized. Subs would often sink them with a couple of shells from a deck gun rather than waste a torp. But I just wonder if they gave them 3 to balance the scenario. I guess we'll never know.

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mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,165	Convoy Ship Stats Nov 1, 2022 20:35:11 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Nov 1, 2022 20:35:11 GMT It’s a pretty high bar to have to hit a transport twice, over 9 turns if you have 5 or more convoy ships you basically win before you start.
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Post by admiralduncan on Oct 28, 2022 11:54:42 GMT

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Post by admiralduncan on Oct 28, 2022 14:42:43 GMT

Post by oscsusnret on Oct 28, 2022 16:46:55 GMT

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Post by admiralduncan on Oct 28, 2022 19:50:53 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Oct 29, 2022 0:38:15 GMT

Post by oscsusnret on Oct 29, 2022 1:16:04 GMT

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Post by admiralduncan on Oct 29, 2022 9:27:24 GMT

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