#21 Liberator GR Mk III - Canada -POINTS?

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#21 Liberator GR Mk III - Canada -POINTS? Apr 8, 2022 1:22:56 GMT

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Liberator GR Mk III (Base Stats from B-24D Liberator)
Patrol Bomber 1943

Bomb 5
Torpedo 1
Asw 3

A4 V7 H1
Defensive Armament
Excellent Endurance

Represented as the long range naval recon variant rather than the heavy strategic bomber role. Wiki notes that very long range permitted only a 1200kg bombload. Please confirm.

A proposal was also raised to consider the Mk24 FIDO Mine, code of acoustic homing torpedo. Suggestion within the team were to duplicate the acoustic torpedo mechanic on the U459 or an ASW bonus.

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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 8,365	#21 Liberator GR Mk III - Canada -POINTS? Apr 8, 2022 1:24:51 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Apr 8, 2022 1:24:51 GMT Distinct from the above official post, i personally was just thinking this aircraft could get "submerged shot" as written as representative of its homing torpedoes and as something unique. [/rogue]

brenticus86 Forumini Ensign Posts: 422	#21 Liberator GR Mk III - Canada -POINTS? Apr 8, 2022 1:46:40 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by brenticus86 on Apr 8, 2022 1:46:40 GMT Definitely would be novel. I'd probably go with the former than the latter. Especially if there's already a SA out there for acoustic torpedoes.

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#21 Liberator GR Mk III - Canada -POINTS? Apr 10, 2022 3:34:46 GMT via mobile

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The existing Acoustic Torpedo SA would have to be adapted a bit. I was thinking something like this

Mark 24 FIDO Mine: Once per game, when this unit would make an ASW attack against an enemy Submarine, you may roll a die. On a 6, destroy that Submarine.

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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 8,365	#21 Liberator GR Mk III - Canada -POINTS? Apr 10, 2022 19:58:25 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Apr 10, 2022 19:58:25 GMT Mk 24 wasnt exclusively a ASW weapon. The USAAF used them against surface ships so we might want that flexibility as well.

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#21 Liberator GR Mk III - Canada -POINTS? Apr 16, 2022 3:21:58 GMT

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I personally dislike using non attack kill rolls.

Submerged Shot is an existing SA that would allow a 1/6 kill on most submarines. We'll have to check if harrassment is specific to asw attacks or any air attacks

Theaetetus Forumini Rear Admiral Posts: 4,837	#21 Liberator GR Mk III - Canada -POINTS? Apr 16, 2022 11:13:48 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Theaetetus on Apr 16, 2022 11:13:48 GMT The rules specify and ASW attack as the source of threat from aircraft.
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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 8,365	#21 Liberator GR Mk III - Canada -POINTS? Apr 16, 2022 12:50:45 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Apr 16, 2022 12:50:45 GMT So in either case, acoustic torpedo or submerged shot you would loose the harrassment element of a typical asw attack

brenticus86 Forumini Ensign Posts: 422	#21 Liberator GR Mk III - Canada -POINTS? Apr 20, 2022 2:12:42 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by brenticus86 on Apr 20, 2022 2:12:42 GMT Given that I'd rather have a straight ASW roll. Might be nice option though on those high armor German subs.

Theaetetus Forumini Rear Admiral Posts: 4,837	#21 Liberator GR Mk III - Canada -POINTS? Apr 20, 2022 14:57:11 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Theaetetus on Apr 20, 2022 14:57:11 GMT Likewise; I would want to see a 2 or 3 die torpedo attack with the Fido, even if it was OPG. Does someone have the odds on torpedo vs. ASW attacks against subs in this case?
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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 8,365	#21 Liberator GR Mk III - Canada -POINTS? Apr 20, 2022 20:30:49 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Apr 20, 2022 20:30:49 GMT @mmnorthstars, can you calculate this?

mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,164	#21 Liberator GR Mk III - Canada -POINTS? Apr 21, 2022 12:46:04 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Apr 21, 2022 12:46:04 GMT ASW 3 vs. Armor 3 34% 4 13% 5 3% In Darkness 3 20% 4 9% 5 2% Torpedo 1 17% 2 33%
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#21 Liberator GR Mk III - Canada -POINTS? Apr 21, 2022 13:37:12 GMT

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Apr 21, 2022 12:46:04 GMT mnnorthstars said:

ASW 3 vs. Armor
3 34%
4 13%
5 3%

In Darkness
3 20%
4 9%
5 2%

Torpedo
1 17%
2 33%

Thankyou, much appreciated.

The canadians already have 2 aircraft with ASW 3,Hudson and Canso. Both which are available earlier.

There's a case to be made for a later war high armor defeating ASW option.
In that context @ticat suggestion is preferable.

Whats the interaction for the exactant acoustic torpedo versus a concealed target as its not notionally attack of the usual values?

mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,164	#21 Liberator GR Mk III - Canada -POINTS? Apr 21, 2022 17:51:36 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Apr 21, 2022 17:51:36 GMT I don’t think you get a defensive roll against Mines.
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brenticus86 Forumini Ensign Posts: 422	#21 Liberator GR Mk III - Canada -POINTS? Apr 21, 2022 18:16:00 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by brenticus86 on Apr 21, 2022 18:16:00 GMT If they would get a concealment roll for an ASW attack then I would think it would apply the the acoustic torpedo attack as well. Still have to drop it close enough to the sub get a successful attack.

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#21 Liberator GR Mk III - Canada -POINTS?

Post by flakstruk on Apr 8, 2022 1:22:56 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Apr 8, 2022 1:24:51 GMT

Post by brenticus86 on Apr 8, 2022 1:46:40 GMT

Post by ticat1 on Apr 10, 2022 3:34:46 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Apr 10, 2022 19:58:25 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Apr 16, 2022 3:21:58 GMT

Post by Theaetetus on Apr 16, 2022 11:13:48 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Apr 16, 2022 12:50:45 GMT

Post by brenticus86 on Apr 20, 2022 2:12:42 GMT

Post by Theaetetus on Apr 20, 2022 14:57:11 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Apr 20, 2022 20:30:49 GMT

Post by mnnorthstars on Apr 21, 2022 12:46:04 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Apr 21, 2022 13:37:12 GMT

Post by mnnorthstars on Apr 21, 2022 17:51:36 GMT

Post by brenticus86 on Apr 21, 2022 18:16:00 GMT

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