I kinda lost track with this thread after my original post. Mainly because I was reluctant until we knew the full list of units in the current deck. In Sedna, the US got the best balance in my view. They don't need aircraft and so only got one with the redone P38. This allowed a full coverage of all other areas. On the flip side IJN still have plenty of aircraft types, so going forward they would be the one I'd push in that area. For the UK I'd say no more than two aircraft(I'd be happy with one). A cheap early war Anson would be good. This would allow more coverage of other areas. The US has a lot of ship choices left but in more uniformed and less in number classes. The UK/Comm has many classes/sub classes, some key, not yet represented. I remember a few decks back talk about aircraft heavy slots. You could even say that about capital ship slots in some navies but some might want them whatever. For example the US could do without either a BB/F Carrier. A revised Op. Hornet is the one obvious IMO. Similar UK, I would push for an escort carrier in addition to the gap that is a CAM ship. I'm very much for filling the smaller historical classes in now.
Im wary of drastically shifting compositions though. There needs to be units for all kinds of people, collecters, historically focused, casual gamers, power gamers ect.
I don't disagree with the need to have something for everyone so this is completely unrelated to the current discussion but have we ever done a poll of what type of people are into the game at this point? I'm a collector so I'm still here to see every class of ship represented. It would be interesting to see if there are no more casual gamers because the entry cost has gone up or if the historically focused people have all left because so many "fictional" ships have been added.
I don't disagree with the need to have something for everyone so this is completely unrelated to the current discussion but have we ever done a poll of what type of people are into the game at this point? I'm a collector so I'm still here to see every class of ship represented. It would be interesting to see if there are no more casual gamers because the entry cost has gone up or if the historically focused people have all left because so many "fictional" ships have been added.
Slots as determined by weighting poll with only full slots counted.
Australia (3) 1. Westralia Auxiliary/Transport 2. Ocean/Sydney (iii) / Carrier Light 3. Gasgoyne / Destroyer Escort Brazil (1) 4. Bahia /cruiser small Canada (3) 5. Abathaskan/ destroyer wartime 6. Flower Class Corvette (Moose Jaw and others) /Destroyer convoy escort 7. Avro Lancaster Patrol Bomber/Heavy Bomber France (4) 8. Colbert / Cruiser Heavy 9. Operational Jean Bart / Battleship/Large ship 10. Dixmude / Carrier Escort 11. Sénégalais destroyer subhunter Greece (1) 12. Hydra/Prewar Destroyer NE (2) 13. Sumatra cruiser old 14. KNIL/RAAF Kittyhawk fighter bomber NZ (1) 15. Arabis/ convoy escort destroyer NO (1) 16. Sliepner / destroyer small UK (9) 17. Dorsetshire/Cruiser Heavy 18. FAA Hellcat/Carrier Fighter 19. Tarpon/ Carrier Bomber 20. Bishopdale /Auxiliary Oiler 21. KGV Class / Battleship Fast 22. Truant / Submarine 23. C Class cruiser cruiser small (wont be an atlanta) 24. Superb / Cruiser 25. Mohawk / Destroyer US (9) 26. B-25B "Doolittle" Mitchell/ Patrol Bomber 27. Curtiss Hawk (Widely Exported) 28. Guam / Cruiser Very Large 29. Operational USS Hornet CV8 30. Sealion / submarine 31. Colorado / Battleship 32. Ruben James / Destroyer 33. Augusta / Cruiser 34. Blue destroyer SU (3) 35. Sevastapol Battery/ Installation 36. Maxim Gorky/ Cruiser 37. Frunze/Battleship FI (2) 38. Jarrarahlu / auxilary cruiser 39. v&w class destroyer Germany (2) 40. BF109G 41. Operational Koln + Fi 282 /Cruiser Light Italy (4) 42. Attlio Regulo /Cruiser Light 43. Bari /Cruiser Small 44. CANT 501 /Patrol Bomber 45. Freccia Destroyer / Fleet Japan (7) 46. B4Y Jean - Carrier Bomber 47. Nakajima J1N Gekko - Landbased Fighter 48. Ise 1941 battleship small 49. Unryu class carrier carrier light 50. Makigomo destroyer modern 51. no. 17 Subchaser destroyer small 52. Akashi repairship Romania (1) 53. Ex HMS Gorgon Siam (1) 54. Ann Bomber / Dive Bomber Argentina (1) 55. La Argentina / cruiser small Chile (1) 56. Chacabuco / Cruiser Old Spain (2) 57. Me109 Early 58. Sweden (2) 59. Gustav Sister / Battleship Small 60. Visby / DD Small Turkey (1) 61. Turkey / Medjidieh / Cruiser small Other (1) 62. Convoy Scenario Merchant Ship (Neutral) 63. Field Artillery Battery (Neutral) 9 Unassigned
Proposed Niche
Large Piece Flagship(Flag-rating) Destroyer Smoke Destroyer Convoy Escort New classification for navy Wartime destroyer Prewar destroyer Auxilary merchant/transport Auxiliary mine/minesweeping Basic Escort Basic Patrol Bomber Loiter Bomber Landbased/Landfighter Carrier Fighter Carrier Bomber Hull 1 sub Hull 2 sub Cruiser small Cruiser light Cruiser heavy Light/Escort Carrier Installation (include description of how it differentiates) Small Battleship Very Small Battleship/Monitor
In this exercise, a unit must be proposed with, nation, niche and then be seconded by another member. Niches can't be duplicated in a given navy. Though some will overlap. Most decks i have participated in have aimed to have a rough sense of balance. If one side has a ship type. The other in the red/blue dynamic does too.
Yes, we can use the reserved slots. Just need to make considered proposals for them.
Thats a good point Mmn. I think the safe bet is to include a detachment SA for a future unryu. Not quite a full cap slot but something for flexibity sake
We could subsitute the C-Class for another light cruiser.
My personal concerns with the list as is are Australia: destroyer escort and auxilary. Overlapping niches France: small allotment UK: duplicated lend lease aircraft Germany: me109G, naval related how? And super fighter yuk. Small allotment Italy: no significant ships in size Japan: small allotment, otherwise well rounded Romania: gorgon is too slow for an objevtive siezure role without deployment SAs
There are only 61 nominated slots at present as i didnt include fraction when i set the exercise up.
Id suggest adding 1 additional slot each to france, german, italy and japan at this point.
I don’t see a problem with an Auxiliary Crusier and Destroyer escort.
Italy could get one of its hypothetical carriers (the Impero coversion, or General Rota) if it needed another battleship Dante Alighieri or Leonardo da Vinci could work.
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I was just thinking about italian carriers. I think the HMS Argus is a good formula to follow for one of the interwar proposals(ie 2 different ghost units)
We could subsitute the C-Class for another light cruiser.
My personal concerns with the list as is are Australia: destroyer escort and auxilary. Overlapping niches France: small allotment UK: duplicated lend lease aircraft Germany: me109G, naval related how? And super fighter yuk. Small allotment Italy: no significant ships in size Japan: small allotment, otherwise well rounded Romania: gorgon is too slow for an objevtive siezure role without deployment SAs
There are only 61 nominated slots at present as i didnt include fraction when i set the exercise up.
Id suggest adding 1 additional slot each to france, german, italy and japan at this point.
I don’t see a problem with an Auxiliary Crusier and Destroyer escort.
Its not a massive problem, but something i wanted to call attention too for confirmation. I personally dont want half of a deck of auxiliaries, small escorts and minewarfare ships.
Instead of the subchaser for Japan, what about Ashigara? Last of the Myoko class without a card
Going back to this. I was going through my Imperial Japanese Navy In The Pacific War by Mark E. Stille
Flak is right, take off one less destroyer and other smaller vessel in the deck and put in a cruiser. Ashigara, Mikuma, Takao finish off one of these classes.
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I don’t see a problem with an Auxiliary Crusier and Destroyer escort.
Its not a massive problem, but something i wanted to call attention too for confirmation. I personally dont want half of a deck of auxiliaries, small escorts and minewarfare ships.
I think France could have an Aircraft. Potez 63 heavy fighter used by aero naval. That’ll give them 5. Not really a fan of the Knil kitty hawk as they really RAAF squadrons with some Dutch aircrew. Gorgon- well it is slow , but there are options for that. The other “planned” option is the scout crusier. Which I believe was more “real” because Romania was actively purchasing seaplanes for it and received them.
I never heard that about the scout cruiser. I understood it to be a unsolicitrd proposal. The admirals wanted the pocket battleship but the budget didnt allow for it.
Im okay with an additional french slot. As i said somewhere above we could reasonably add one slot each to japan: cruiser? Italy: carrier, germany ? france aircraft And still have some slots in in hand