The Raimondo Montecuccoli is 11 pts. are the SA's on this ship really worth 1 pt less.
or do you feel the RM was over cost?
I think the SA's on the RM (Straddle and Raider) are less circumstantial then the ones on this unit (Torpedo Run and Torpedo Survivor). If you use the TR SA with a maximum torpedo range of 1, you are intentionally putting this unit in harms way and not trying to remain at a 'safer' distance. (Which you can do with Straddle and Raider) I think for that reason and how you would use this unit it should be 1 point cheaper.
If the unit had LLTs and a torpedo range of 3, we would be having a very different discussion on the cost.
For what it's worth, I'm in favor of the unit as is and at 10 points.
The Raimondo Montecuccoli is 11 pts. are the SA's on this ship really worth 1 pt less.
or do you feel the RM was over cost?
I think the SA's on the RM (Straddle and Raider) are less circumstantial then the ones on this unit (Torpedo Run and Torpedo Survivor). If you use the TR SA with a maximum torpedo range of 1, you are intentionally putting this unit in harms way and not trying to remain at a 'safer' distance. (Which you can do with Straddle and Raider) I think for that reason and how you would use this unit it should be 1 point cheaper.
If the unit had LLTs and a torpedo range of 3, we would be having a very different discussion on the cost.
For what it's worth, I'm in favor of the unit as is and at 10 points.
The greater the risk the greater the reward;; Ill take TT's over MG any time and this unit is more survivable against that attack;
And what if i drag along a Camicia Nere into a sector with a Camicia Nere??
The Raimondo Montecuccoli is 11 pts. are the SA's on this ship really worth 1 pt less.
or do you feel the RM was over cost?
I think the SA's on the RM (Straddle and Raider) are less circumstantial then the ones on this unit (Torpedo Run and Torpedo Survivor). If you use the TR SA with a maximum torpedo range of 1, you are intentionally putting this unit in harms way and not trying to remain at a 'safer' distance. (Which you can do with Straddle and Raider) I think for that reason and how you would use this unit it should be 1 point cheaper.
If the unit had LLTs and a torpedo range of 3, we would be having a very different discussion on the cost.
For what it's worth, I'm in favor of the unit as is and at 10 points.
+1. I think its OK at 10 for the reasons you state. These SAs are pretty situational, and its not like this CL has a monster torpedo line.
I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way. - Captain John Paul Jones
One of the reasons I like Torpedo Run on this is the lame 2/1/- torpedo attack line. I don't know why RB gave the Italians weaker torpedoes as a "fleet characteristic." From what I have read Italian torpedoes were copies of British torpedoes and were not known to have had any deficiencies or issues unlike German and American torpedoes.
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Bringing forward to review. After the discussion RAEVSKI still thinks a cost of 10. Are we okay with that? I think it is on the 10/11 "bubble." In most of these cases (except big BBs and CVs) rounding down is the better option.
Muzio Attendolo Class: Montecuccoli Class Light Cruiser Commissioned: 7 August 1935 Fate: Sunk 4 December 1942 Displacement: 7405 tons standard Length(OA): 597 ft 9 in Beam: 54 ft 6 in Speed: 37 knots Armament:8 x 6 in/53 Mod 29 (4 x 2), 6 x 3.9 in/47 AA (3 x 2), 8 x 37 mm 54 cal AA (4 x 2), 8 x 13.2mm AA (4 x 2), 4 x 21 in TT (2 x 2)
Torpedo Run - Once per game, at the end of the Sea Movement phase, you may move this unit and a friendly Destroyer in its sector one sector. A unit moving this way can only move to a sector from which it will be able to make a Torpedo attack during the Surface Attack phase. Torpedo Survivor - The first time a Torpedo attack would destroy this unit, this unit remains in play with 1 hull point instead of being destroyed.
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I waiting on the play testers to weigh in right now. If it's on the bubble we generally find that a round down is the better choice in the long run. We tend to be very conservative.
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I was going to run a test run on this but had a question on ships in the class... is this 2 because of the sub-class or unlimited since it was part of the larger Condottieri-class or cruisers?