P1Y Frances **Done**

Good point. I could only carry one torpedo. For a patrol bomber that would be a 2. So 2/1 for the stat line.

Wow this does seem muddled;;    I did always believe this was a 2-1  die Torpedo Attack;

  Can a range 1 torpedo attack use Chikuma's Scout Planes??   and were is it written it can't.

It may seem minor to some, but Harass from a Distance has only been used once by a Torpedo Bomb.

 I do believe the words Can't use Expert Torpedo was needed;; but its not for a Patrol Bomber.


  What's so hard about a new TYPE of unit receiving its own ranged torpedo attack SA.

Who knows what future SA's will bring ; I'm all for no added Bonuses; should take care of the future

  and make the people who it for 11pts happy.

waratsea4 - The reason for the Harass from a distance along with the 2/1 Torpedo stat line is more for the second half of the clarification that mnnorthstar and weedsrock2 are trying to cover.  Here is the SA from the Clarification file that mnnorthstar is referring to:

Harass from a Distance: When this unit makes a range-1 attack, it can't benefit from the Expert Torpedoes or Scout Planes special abilities.

While ET is a given due to the unit being a Patrol Bomber, the need for the SA is due to the Scout Planes addition.

It can still benefit from Shadowing thus the maximum torpedo dice at range-1 is 2 (at this time).

I'm willing to try this out from a playtesting perspective and am attempting to keep my personal bias against R1 air attacks out of my consideration.  I've seen what 6 Jill's and 3 Kondor's can do... this just keeps it all in the same Nation and repeatable.

Yeah, I think there’s something to be said about replacing an SA that had to be clarified.

I think another thought that was sticking in my head; was on the old web a discussion on how many

   Torpedo die the IJN could get on a single attack in 200 pt build; if i remember right Ryujo; Jill; Chikuma had a lot to do 

 with it.

Or do we go with Option 3 that uses the existing Harass From a Distance with the clarification it it?

(My vote is to keep things simple and clear and go with the companion SA)

I had to go way back to find this last summary. Just bringing it forward to review.

P1Y Frances
Maker: Yokosuka
Introduced: 1944
Wingspan: 65 ft 7 in
Length: 49 ft 3 in
Speed: 340 mph at 19,344 ft
Forumini Speed: 19
Service Ceiling: 30, 800 ft
Armament: 2 x 20mm Type 99 Cannon (front and rear facing) 2,205 lbs bombs or 1 1,764 lb torpedo
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Suggested Stats (open for discussion)

Aircraft
Patrol bomber
Year: 1944
Cost:?
Bomb: 8
TT: 2
A/VA/HP: 5/8/1

Excellent Endurance - Once per game, at the beginning of the Air Mission phase, you may remove a Rearming counter from this unit.
Harass From a Distance - This unit's Torpedo attack has range 1. When this unit makes a range 1 attack, it can't benefit from the Expert Torpedoes ability.
Kamikaze Attack - This unit can make a 10 dice Bomb attack instead of a Torpedo attack during your Air Attack phase. Destroy this unit after the attack.