P1Y Frances **Done**

Thank you.

So where are we on this?

Yes or no to the revised SA?
11 or 12?

I definitely vote for my revision to the SA (Ranged Torpedo Attack)

I lean toward 12, but I would like the play testers to check it. We have a track record of overcosting Patrol Bombers more often than undercosting them I think. Not always, but more often.

From a playtester perspective... it would be simpler to just add the Range-1 Torpedo attack of 1 Die in the stateline, allow it to be used in conjunction with other SA's as designed and cost the thing at 12 points. It will avoid the whole can vs. can't argument and reduce the need to introduce a new SA or even take up SA space.

Honestly, I think it would be more balancing to make it a OPG ability and reduce the cost to a 10/11 bubble. Range 1 air attacks are always nasty (bordering on unbalanced) since most ships' AA can't reach that far and you then have to rely on Fighter support. Considering this unit's A/V/H line, even fighters might have a hard time aborting it with an escort.

Why do you guys want this to be the first aircraft to throw 3 torpedo dice at range 1? Jill can only do 2. Give it the same restrictions as Jill and make it 11.

I agree 3 at range is too much at any cost.

There is also no precedent for giving an aircraft an unrestricted range 1 attack in the attack table. In fact, the Jill is the only aircraft so far to have a range 1 torpedo attack and it has an SA to define its limits. A new SA variant is much less troublesome IMO. I also think once-per-game is always to be avoided if possible. I would much rather limit it another way that is always in effect if the option is available.

The idea is to emulate Jill to allow more flexibility in landbase and carrier slots to offset to a degree the advantages of the essexes.

Opgs and driving up the cost will just bookmark what is already a support rather than alpha-attack aircraft

You guys (except waratsea4) misunderstand me...

The Torp line would be 3/1/-/-

This makes it 3 dice at range 0 and 1 die at range 1.

Thus no need for the SA.