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Russian Destroyer Zhivuchiy *Done* Jun 30, 2020 2:13:24 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 30, 2020 2:13:24 GMT

Jun 30, 2020 0:12:03 GMT squint181 said:

Silny has smoke. But I was hoping for a close escort.

Weeds, what about the Dostoynyy or Zhguchiy? Did the Brits just refit that whole class, or just a few. Navyepeida (I know never 100% accurate) lists both with 3 4"

If we are just considering a close escort candidate, the Nezamozhnik is a good option.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_destroyer_Nezamozhnik

All of them were refit the same way.

Smoke AND Close Escort on the same ship has never been done, and IMO should never be done. It would be an automatic ban in our game club.

Basically these are ASW escorts with more speed than most. I think Sub Hunter is the obvious SA for one. I saw a mention of RAM. If that is appropriate then RAM plus Sub Hunter would be okay combination I guess.

I agree not very exciting, but that is what they were.

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Russian Destroyer Zhivuchiy *Done* Jun 30, 2020 2:38:21 GMT via mobile

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Post by flakstruk on Jun 30, 2020 2:38:21 GMT

Jun 30, 2020 0:12:03 GMT squint181 said:

Silny has smoke. But I was hoping for a close escort.

Weeds, what about the Dostoynyy or Zhguchiy? Did the Brits just refit that whole class, or just a few. Navyepeida (I know never 100% accurate) lists both with 3 4"

If we are just considering a close escort candidate, the Nezamozhnik is a good option.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_destroyer_Nezamozhnik

I must have skipped past that in the album. Close escort does me, ram.fkr flavour

SWO_Daddy Deck E developer Posts: 6,016	Russian Destroyer Zhivuchiy Done Jun 30, 2020 2:48:48 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by SWO_Daddy on Jun 30, 2020 2:48:48 GMT I agree, Close Escort + Smoke should be avoided at all cost.
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Russian Destroyer Zhivuchiy *Done* Jun 30, 2020 3:06:01 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 30, 2020 3:06:01 GMT

The Soviets built a bunch of Type 7 and Type 7u destroyers that are considerably better than an old stripped down Wickes/Clemson class US WWI destroyer. I think we should reconsider our destroyer selection. Why would I want to use this destroyer even with Close Escort?

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Russian Destroyer Zhivuchiy *Done* Jun 30, 2020 3:09:17 GMT

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Jun 30, 2020 3:06:01 GMT weedsrock2 said:

The Soviets built a bunch of Type 7 and Type 7u destroyers that are considerably better than an old stripped down Wickes/Clemson class US WWI destroyer. I think we should reconsider our destroyer selection. Why would I want to use this destroyer even with Close Escort?

I agree. With the revised stats, its really not worth using in the Close Escort role.

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Russian Destroyer Zhivuchiy *Done* Jun 30, 2020 4:12:29 GMT

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Post by brigman on Jun 30, 2020 4:12:29 GMT

If you're going to keep it, give it Guard the Convoy for scenario use, and possible Sub-Hunter or Ram or something like that. Convoy Guardian is a possibility. But don't try to turn it into a good fleet unit, it's too much lipstick on a pig. My two cents!

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Russian Destroyer Zhivuchiy *Done* Jun 30, 2020 16:14:26 GMT

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Post by au64 on Jun 30, 2020 16:14:26 GMT

The Soviet Fleet has a good number of units with BAd Weather Fighter yet only have the Silnyi and the G5 MTB that can pop smoke. A second destroyer with Smoke would not hurt the Soviets. The only destroyer in the Soviet Fleet that has SubHunter is the Gromkiy. Therefore my preferred combo would be Smoke and Sub Hunter on the unit and call it a day

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Russian Destroyer Zhivuchiy *Done* Jun 30, 2020 23:21:52 GMT

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Jun 30, 2020 16:14:26 GMT au64 said:

The Soviet Fleet has a good number of units with BAd Weather Fighter yet only have the Silnyi and the G5 MTB that can pop smoke. A second destroyer with Smoke would not hurt the Soviets. The only destroyer in the Soviet Fleet that has SubHunter is the Gromkiy. Therefore my preferred combo would be Smoke and Sub Hunter on the unit and call it a day

I would be okay with that. Both SAs would be useful on a DD that could jump out from the the Forward Naval Base.

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squint181 Forumini Captain Posts: 1,812	Russian Destroyer Zhivuchiy Done Jul 1, 2020 0:35:47 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by squint181 on Jul 1, 2020 0:35:47 GMT I'd prefer ram instead of sub hunter. Smoke wouldn't hurt with a unit that can deploy form the ANB Really like to see the Soviets finally get a close escort, but I suppose that can wait. Indefinably probably.
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CommanderSam Forumini Ensign Posts: 232	Russian Destroyer Zhivuchiy Done Jul 1, 2020 8:01:49 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by CommanderSam on Jul 1, 2020 8:01:49 GMT So Ram + Smoke @6 pts (ANB)?

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Russian Destroyer Zhivuchiy *Done* Jul 2, 2020 3:53:47 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Jul 2, 2020 3:53:47 GMT

Jul 1, 2020 14:20:46 GMT au64 said:

Jul 1, 2020 8:01:49 GMT CommanderSam said:

So Ram + Smoke @6 pts (ANB)?

I can live with that since it only has an ASW of 3.

The revised stats would give it an ASW 4. That is the only stat that would be better than the original.

But RAM plus Smoke is okay with me.

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Russian Destroyer Zhivuchiy *Done* Jul 2, 2020 22:18:09 GMT

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Post by au64 on Jul 2, 2020 22:18:09 GMT

Jul 2, 2020 3:53:47 GMT weedsrock2 said:

Jul 1, 2020 14:20:46 GMT au64 said:

I can live with that since it only has an ASW of 3.

The revised stats would give it an ASW 4. That is the only stat that would be better than the original.

But RAM plus Smoke is okay with me.

I'm still ok with it, let's see what the card looks like. Anyone want to playtest a DD with RAM that can be deployed at a ANB for 6 points?

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Russian Destroyer Zhivuchiy *Done* Jul 5, 2020 4:33:36 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Jul 5, 2020 4:33:36 GMT

I think this is what we have so far:

Zhivuchiy
Year:1944
Type: Destroyer
Cost: ?
Speed: 2
Mains: 2/2/1
AA: 4
ASW: 4
TT: 2/1
Armor: 2/5/2

Ram - Once per game, during the Sea Movement phase, this unit can make an immediate ASW attack when it enters a sector that contains an enemy Submarine.

Lay Smoke Screen - Instead of attacking during your Surface Attack phase, this unit can make a local smoke screen. A sector containing a smoke screen blocks line of sight. A unit in a smoke screen has concealment. Remove the smoke screen at the end of the next turn.

Last Edit: Jul 5, 2020 4:34:12 GMT by weedsrock2

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Russian Destroyer Zhivuchiy Done

Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 30, 2020 2:13:24 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Jun 30, 2020 2:38:21 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 30, 2020 3:06:01 GMT

Post by SWO_Daddy on Jun 30, 2020 3:09:17 GMT

Post by brigman on Jun 30, 2020 4:12:29 GMT

Post by au64 on Jun 30, 2020 16:14:26 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 30, 2020 23:21:52 GMT

Post by squint181 on Jul 1, 2020 0:35:47 GMT

Post by CommanderSam on Jul 1, 2020 8:01:49 GMT

Post by au64 on Jul 1, 2020 14:20:46 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Jul 2, 2020 2:55:29 GMT

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