Spanish Battleship Espana **DONE**

ticat1 Moderator "Ready, Aye, Ready" Posts: 1,363	Spanish Battleship Espana DONE Aug 22, 2019 18:45:07 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ticat1 on Aug 22, 2019 18:45:07 GMT Not from me! I think it looks great
	To you from failing hands we throw the torch be yours to hold it high. -In Flanders Fields. John McCrea

grafspeeisbae39 Forumini Ensign Posts: 27	Spanish Battleship Espana DONE Aug 22, 2019 19:07:14 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by grafspeeisbae39 on Aug 22, 2019 19:07:14 GMT Agreed I think it looks good. Definitely brings something different to the table.

flakstruk
Deck E developer

Posts: 9,839

Spanish Battleship Espana **DONE** Aug 23, 2019 13:05:32 GMT via mobile

Quote

Post by flakstruk on Aug 23, 2019 13:05:32 GMT

Aug 22, 2019 12:36:29 GMT ticat1 said:

Aug 22, 2019 8:00:20 GMT flakstruk said:

NSAs are difficult enough to work out. This ship is already handicapped by stats and nationality

Negative SAs just need to be offset by points, obviously. If the risk:reward is worth it, people will take it.

Wouldn't say it's a handicap, but is definitely a niche unit

Ideally yes. Practically no

raevski Administrator Cooking with gas Posts: 1,615	Spanish Battleship Espana DONE Aug 27, 2019 21:19:34 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by raevski on Aug 27, 2019 21:19:34 GMT Her Hull is only 3. I question some other stats. Secondaries probably have bristling with guns

raevski
Administrator

Cooking with gas

Posts: 1,615

Spanish Battleship Espana **DONE** Sept 1, 2019 9:02:53 GMT via mobile

Quote

Post by raevski on Sept 1, 2019 9:02:53 GMT

Ok. A few things.
The broadside is 6x305.
They are old and have a very limited rang with only 15 degree turrets.
So I believe this for the guns
Either 11 10 9 8
Or 10 9 8 7. Could be either.
The Hull is 6 11 3

Last Edit: Sept 1, 2019 9:16:17 GMT by raevski

raevski Administrator Cooking with gas Posts: 1,615	Spanish Battleship Espana DONE Sept 1, 2019 9:11:18 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by raevski on Sept 1, 2019 9:11:18 GMT Seconds 6 5 4 bristling with guns is my guess. The 105s were in casements with limited angles and range. But their are 20 guns. We could drop this back to 5 5 4. Working on AA

raevski Administrator Cooking with gas Posts: 1,615	Spanish Battleship Espana DONE Sept 1, 2019 9:15:35 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by raevski on Sept 1, 2019 9:15:35 GMT AA 4x3pdr and 2 mgs is really AA 3. But I suggest we go to 4 as a “WW2” armourment. Added Italian or German guns?

raevski
Administrator

Cooking with gas

Posts: 1,615

Spanish Battleship Espana **DONE** Sept 1, 2019 9:20:38 GMT via mobile

Quote

Post by raevski on Sept 1, 2019 9:20:38 GMT

So. Going with worse case.
M10 9 8 7
2nds 5 5 4
AA 3
Armour 6 11 3
Speed 1
SAS Bristling with guns

Negative SA Low Guns - if in any weather conditions other than fine it may not use its secondaries.
Points around 18.

raevski Administrator Cooking with gas Posts: 1,615	Spanish Battleship Espana DONE Sept 4, 2019 13:59:32 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by raevski on Sept 4, 2019 13:59:32 GMT I am thinking this should be Jaimie I. Upgrade to AA4 Points 15?

ticat1
Moderator

"Ready, Aye, Ready"

Posts: 1,363

Spanish Battleship Espana **DONE** Sept 4, 2019 20:02:53 GMT

Quote

Post by ticat1 on Sept 4, 2019 20:02:53 GMT

Sept 4, 2019 13:59:32 GMT raevski said:

I am thinking this should be Jaimie I.
Upgrade to AA4
Points 15?

Espana actually took part in action, though. Not in WW2, but in the Civil War.

Thanks for the review of the stats, it was guesswork a bit on my part

To you from failing hands we throw the torch be yours to hold it high.
-In Flanders Fields. John McCrea

raevski Administrator Cooking with gas Posts: 1,615	Spanish Battleship Espana DONE Sept 4, 2019 20:29:37 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by raevski on Sept 4, 2019 20:29:37 GMT The mains are hard. There seems to be little wriggle room

flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,839	Spanish Battleship Espana DONE Sept 6, 2019 9:12:56 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Sept 6, 2019 9:12:56 GMT Sigh. BwG means something else

au64
Deck E playtester

Posts: 1,847

Spanish Battleship Espana **DONE** Sept 6, 2019 14:25:54 GMT

Quote

Post by au64 on Sept 6, 2019 14:25:54 GMT

So how about this then as a starting point for playtesting?

Espana
Neutral (Grey)
Speed: 1
Year: 1939
Cost: 13

MG: 10/10/9/7
Secondaries: 6/5/4
AA: 4
A/VA/HP: 6/11/4

Blockade Duty: This unit rolls one extra attack die when making Main Gunnery attacks against Ships that are on your side of the map
Battery Silencer: This unit rolls one extra attack die when making Gunnery attacks against Shore Batteries and Installations
Unarmored Bulkheads: When this unit is hit by an enemy torpedo attack or a mine, roll a die. On a 1 or 2 this unit takes 1 extra point of damage.

---------------

My thoughts on this configuration: The Stats of the ship have been tweaked a bit with Raevski's input. I agree with Flak (a rare occurrence

) that Bristling with Guns shouldn't apply to this ship. But with the speed of 1 and no way for an early deployment or a good way to get a bonus move during the first turn or during setup (Channel Dash is the only one coming to mind). I figured Blockade Duty would be a good benefit for this ship as enemy ships could be on it's side of the map by the time the get close to the center, it also fits with some of the history of the ship in stopping blockade runners. The Battery Silencer also fits the history of the unit though may rarely see use. And the unarmored bulkheads represent the design flaw many pre-WW2 battlecruisers. Overall I think the cost of the unit falls around the 13-15 point range and I decided to price it aggressively since both Axis and Allies could select th unit.

Thoughts, feedback, constructive criticism? Send it to playtest?

Last Edit: Sept 6, 2019 14:26:18 GMT by au64

grafspeeisbae39 Forumini Ensign Posts: 27	Spanish Battleship Espana DONE Sept 6, 2019 21:06:55 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by grafspeeisbae39 on Sept 6, 2019 21:06:55 GMT I like it I think it's a good compromise. The only thing to me is that the cost seems a bit low but we can tweak that later if necessary.
	Last Edit: Sept 6, 2019 21:07:38 GMT by grafspeeisbae39

raevski Administrator Cooking with gas Posts: 1,615	Spanish Battleship Espana DONE Sept 6, 2019 22:52:31 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by raevski on Sept 6, 2019 22:52:31 GMT She ain’t hull 4

Gallery Title:
Image URL:
Image Title:
Comment:
Tick this box if you would like to allow other members to add images to your gallery.Add Image

Forumini

title

Spanish Battleship Espana DONE

Post by ticat1 on Aug 22, 2019 18:45:07 GMT

Post by grafspeeisbae39 on Aug 22, 2019 19:07:14 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Aug 23, 2019 13:05:32 GMT

Post by raevski on Aug 27, 2019 21:19:34 GMT

Post by raevski on Sept 1, 2019 9:02:53 GMT

Post by raevski on Sept 1, 2019 9:11:18 GMT

Post by raevski on Sept 1, 2019 9:15:35 GMT

Post by raevski on Sept 1, 2019 9:20:38 GMT

Post by raevski on Sept 4, 2019 13:59:32 GMT

Post by ticat1 on Sept 4, 2019 20:02:53 GMT

Post by raevski on Sept 4, 2019 20:29:37 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Sept 6, 2019 9:12:56 GMT

Post by au64 on Sept 6, 2019 14:25:54 GMT

Post by grafspeeisbae39 on Sept 6, 2019 21:06:55 GMT

Post by raevski on Sept 6, 2019 22:52:31 GMT

Quick Reply