Question on 1 Hull Point Units

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Question on 1 Hull Point Units May 22, 2018 11:17:51 GMT

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Post by mogseadog on May 22, 2018 11:17:51 GMT

Gentlemen, if a Ship or Submarine only has 1 Hull Point why is the Vital Armor higher than the Armor? It only takes 1 hit to destroy the unit. If a unit has 2 or more Hull Points I can see the logic there, but I don't see that same logic for 1 Hull Point units. Is there something in the rules that I am overlooking?

flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 8,383	Question on 1 Hull Point Units May 22, 2018 11:59:58 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on May 22, 2018 11:59:58 GMT if i remember correctly, there was at some stage an intent to do SAs that play off the that difference, but the never eventuated.

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Question on 1 Hull Point Units May 22, 2018 12:29:24 GMT

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Post by Swizzle on May 22, 2018 12:29:24 GMT

May 22, 2018 11:17:51 GMT mogseadog said:

Gentlemen, if a Ship or Submarine only has 1 Hull Point why is the Vital Armor higher than the Armor? It only takes 1 hit to destroy the unit. If a unit has 2 or more Hull Points I can see the logic there, but I don't see that same logic for 1 Hull Point units. Is there something in the rules that I am overlooking?

There is nothing you are overlooking. Because there's a difference you can enjoy "Vitaling" a ship more than just "sinking" them. Logically, there's no difference. However, we don't play the game for "logical" reasons, and many of us enjoy visualizing the exploding "vital" as opposed to the quiet slipping away of a sunken ship.

That's my way of saying I'm not sure why they are different, though I believe Flak has a point.

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oscs Forumini Ensign Posts: 40	Question on 1 Hull Point Units May 22, 2018 13:59:54 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by oscs on May 22, 2018 13:59:54 GMT That was the rumor, never proven or disproven.

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Question on 1 Hull Point Units May 22, 2018 23:04:16 GMT via mobile cevguy and oscs like this

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Post by ticat1 on May 22, 2018 23:04:16 GMT

In the couple campaigns I've played, if a ship is vitaled, it's sunk. If it runs out of hull points, it can make it back to a friendly naval base, if it's not too far away, and get repaired.

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Question on 1 Hull Point Units May 23, 2018 2:17:13 GMT

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Post by oscs on May 23, 2018 2:17:13 GMT

May 22, 2018 23:04:16 GMT ticat1 said:

In the couple campaigns I've played, if a ship is vitaled, it's sunk. If it runs out of hull points, it can make it back to a friendly naval base, if it's not too far away, and get repaired.

That is the way I play also.

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Question on 1 Hull Point Units May 23, 2018 2:39:37 GMT via mobile

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Post by toronado3800 on May 23, 2018 2:39:37 GMT

May 22, 2018 11:17:51 GMT mogseadog said:

Gentlemen, if a Ship or Submarine only has 1 Hull Point why is the Vital Armor higher than the Armor? It only takes 1 hit to destroy the unit. If a unit has 2 or more Hull Points I can see the logic there, but I don't see that same logic for 1 Hull Point units. Is there something in the rules that I am overlooking?

One time I played a campaign where if a unit was just sunk you could spend victory points to repair it in 2x Hull Points months, I think vitaled units were 4x or imoossible to refloat.

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Question on 1 Hull Point Units May 24, 2018 0:56:16 GMT oscs likes this

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Post by weedsrock2 on May 24, 2018 0:56:16 GMT

May 22, 2018 11:17:51 GMT mogseadog said:

Gentlemen, if a Ship or Submarine only has 1 Hull Point why is the Vital Armor higher than the Armor? It only takes 1 hit to destroy the unit. If a unit has 2 or more Hull Points I can see the logic there, but I don't see that same logic for 1 Hull Point units. Is there something in the rules that I am overlooking?

Most likely because sometimes the rules don't line up perfectly and you just let it go if it doesn't break anything.

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Question on 1 Hull Point Units May 24, 2018 11:24:52 GMT

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Post by oscs on May 24, 2018 11:24:52 GMT

May 24, 2018 0:56:16 GMT weedsrock2 said:

May 22, 2018 11:17:51 GMT mogseadog said:

Gentlemen, if a Ship or Submarine only has 1 Hull Point why is the Vital Armor higher than the Armor? It only takes 1 hit to destroy the unit. If a unit has 2 or more Hull Points I can see the logic there, but I don't see that same logic for 1 Hull Point units. Is there something in the rules that I am overlooking?

Most likely because sometimes the rules don't line up perfectly and you just let it go if it doesn't break anything.

I give your verbal judo an "A".

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Question on 1 Hull Point Units May 28, 2018 12:33:31 GMT

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Post by heavygear on May 28, 2018 12:33:31 GMT

Also because there are some Abilities that use Vital as threeshold number to activate

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SURVIVOR: If this unit receives hits equal to or greater than its Vital Armor, roll a die. On a 5 or higher, this unit takes 1 point of hull damage instead of being destroyed.

REMEMBER: If this unit receives hits equal to or greater than its vital armor, or is destroyed by a torpedo attack, roll a die. Score victory points equal to that number.

Agreed most of abilities that use Vital are for aircrafts

Last Edit: May 28, 2018 12:43:11 GMT by heavygear

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Question on 1 Hull Point Units May 29, 2018 1:50:02 GMT

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Post by waratsea4 on May 29, 2018 1:50:02 GMT

Sorry i have to disagree a bit with Heavygear;

If your a one point hull ship you have to have that kind of SA two make it matter and only one 1 pt hull does; Delfinul's Slip Away

Armor and Vital Armor are a game concept;; you need to take damage to be sunk unless an overwhelming attack crushes you.

I can see another unit having an SA to help with that situation but i believe none exist.

There were never going to be changes to the rules so only the addition of an SA is possible to make 1 pt hulls without
those special SA's s make it a matter.

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Question on 1 Hull Point Units

Post by mogseadog on May 22, 2018 11:17:51 GMT

Post by flakstruk on May 22, 2018 11:59:58 GMT

Post by Swizzle on May 22, 2018 12:29:24 GMT

Post by oscs on May 22, 2018 13:59:54 GMT

Post by sirmagnusfrydsen on May 22, 2018 22:33:03 GMT

Post by ticat1 on May 22, 2018 23:04:16 GMT

Post by oscs on May 23, 2018 2:17:13 GMT

Post by toronado3800 on May 23, 2018 2:39:37 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on May 24, 2018 0:56:16 GMT

Post by oscs on May 24, 2018 11:24:52 GMT

Post by heavygear on May 28, 2018 12:33:31 GMT

Post by waratsea4 on May 29, 2018 1:50:02 GMT

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