I think it would be better to have a second feedback period. We’re getting better cards because of that step. Could we do something on the front end to streamline card development? Put up half the public units at a time and leave them up for a month each, then the team works on team cards in the meantime, and when the month is up they work on the cards as normal. No more waiting on that initial feedback lag.
The team should also work on the public cards first when able to do so on the later nations, knowing that they take longer.
Wow hits some nerves here!! Sorry Weeds your remarks are Hypocritical. Look that up Don't really care what you think i am, but your a control freak, you've been the center of every Deck. When the complaints started coming in on Deck D process you gave up:: i think the Forum did ok salvaging it. Swizzle and you have a pair when you say its undemocratic or i write the truth about the Forum not having more say What the Hell is a unit like the new Akagi a community love fest. I didn't write what i wrote knocking what you or the past Teams have done, i've always been an advocate of more Forum involvement and the Team Decks. If the Forum is happy with the way it is i'll just be the lone voice. When i read what Ticat 1 asked I guess its pretty obvious its going to stay that way,
Guys, the process is long and it Frey’s people nerves. When there are many people invovled it makes it even harder. Weeds puts in a massive amount of time, effort and money into this project. I do not begrudge him an overvarching say in the final card.
Wow hits some nerves here!! Sorry Weeds your remarks are Hypocritical. Look that up Don't really care what you think i am, but your a control freak, you've been the center of every Deck. When the complaints started coming in on Deck D process you gave up:: i think the Forum did ok salvaging it. Swizzle and you have a pair when you say its undemocratic or i write the truth about the Forum not having more say What the Hell is a unit like the new Akagi a community love fest. I didn't write what i wrote knocking what you or the past Teams have done, i've always been an advocate of more Forum involvement and the Team Decks. If the Forum is happy with the way it is i'll just be the lone voice. When i read what Ticat 1 asked I guess its pretty obvious its going to stay that way,
Wow. Control freak - some. Mainly when I am asked to lead something and I am responsible for getting it done. Hypocritical - no. (Yes, I looked it up.)
But perception is reality and if that is the way you perceive me there isn't much I can do about it.
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Wow hits some nerves here!! Sorry Weeds your remarks are Hypocritical. Look that up Don't really care what you think i am, but your a control freak, you've been the center of every Deck. When the complaints started coming in on Deck D process you gave up:: i think the Forum did ok salvaging it. Swizzle and you have a pair when you say its undemocratic or i write the truth about the Forum not having more say What the Hell is a unit like the new Akagi a community love fest. I didn't write what i wrote knocking what you or the past Teams have done, i've always been an advocate of more Forum involvement and the Team Decks. If the Forum is happy with the way it is i'll just be the lone voice. When i read what Ticat 1 asked I guess its pretty obvious its going to stay that way,
Wow. Control freak - some. Mainly when I am asked to lead something and I am responsible for getting it done. Hypocritical - no. (Yes, I looked it up.)
But perception is reality and if that is the way you perceive me there isn't much I can do about it.
My perception is how did you get that outrage at what i posted; try reading it again line by line and tell me were i did not say a balance between a team and the Forum is needed, yes with emphasis on Forum. Sorry it bothers you so much to think the Forum is just to pitiful to have more of a say and to say this can't be worked out intelligently is close minded. It's not rocket science; its just better your way;
This is a Forum players should look up what the meaning is; The Forum should pick the units; the team to save endless rhetoric should select from those units; making for a balanced deck. Meaning a deck in the likeness of preceding decks The Forum should have some input into each unit with the final say being the Teams. Anything else you're just kidding yourself, its someones pet project Lots of players make cards; what if anything separates them; i guess to some nothing. To me it was a project started in the likeness of the original game with some pretty strict guide rules; each passing deck as slowly eroded that. A Forum is not the place to serve the views of a few; but a place for all to share their views, or just call it The Good Old Boys Club
Describe the process you've got in mind
You asked !!
A team is selected; I would recommend some new and experienced at the process. We are pretty established at what a deck should look like; so the team sets a frame work; Nations, unit types in each, amount in each. Any anomalies or new additions to frame work; teams decision. Forum which includes the team fills framework with request units; again final decision teams. Creation of units outside of cost and SA's pretty cut and dry. Cost and SA's should be open to Forum discussion; team with final say. This is pretty much as its been; With Temeraire one of this decks best outcomes the result of a lot of Forum discussion. The new Akagi which is the outcome of a split team having no Forum input [which i criticized;] has some asking me to retract a statement saying this is a pet project and the Forums is closed to some views. The new Akagi is a perfect example of how a project starts with a great idea and than migrates to I know whats best. Lots of single card makers out there; Always believed this project was an extension of the game by a body of players The Forum contributing as much as a whole as possible. Its true tighter control and less interference helped get the project off the ground but the Forum is well past that stage, but unfortunately more into the I know best crowd.
Ok so it looks to me like you're saying that because you personally dislike one unit, that means the entire process is a sham? You can't just base judgments like that on your own personal feelings.
There was a unit made on the last deck that I was remarkably disappointed in that was a result of lots of public feedback.
Everyone is going to have units they love, units they hate and units they're indifferent to.
No one was battling for Akagi as their pet, leveraging stuff against the team to push their agenda.
Some team members didn't even want it in the deck. But the other option was a Taiho sister and enough of us felt (me included) that we'd rather have an operational variant of something that existed than another fantasy unit.
The biggest reason the teams keep some units secret is so that there's excitement and surprise. The authority and control we have as the team plus 50 cents will get us a phone call
To you from failing hands we throw the torch be yours to hold it high. -In Flanders Fields. John McCrea
Ok so it looks to me like you're saying that because you personally dislike one unit, that means the entire process is a sham? You can't just base judgments like that on your own personal feelings.
There was a unit made on the last deck that I was remarkably disappointed in that was a result of lots of public feedback.
Everyone is going to have units they love, units they hate and units they're indifferent to.
No one was battling for Akagi as their pet, leveraging stuff against the team to push their agenda.
Some team members didn't even want it in the deck. But the other option was a Taiho sister and enough of us felt (me included) that we'd rather have an operational variant of something that existed than another fantasy unit.
The biggest reason the teams keep some units secret is so that there's excitement and surprise. The authority and control we have as the team plus 50 cents will get us a phone call
Wow;; this is were the connection is lost or you guys are missing the point; it's not about whether i like a unit or not its about the process and how it has progressed. I'm a firm believer in you can't please everyone. You can't.
There are 4 simple points here;
1; What separates any one persons set of cards or a teams; any player who make cards has no contention its his baby. The Teams started something to extend the life of the Game and Forum; something closest to the game itself and set standards to strive for it.
2; Starting a project like that does need minimal control; but once its started the Forum should have increasing control!!! [under of course strict guide lines] I'm surprise a simple task like this is not in place. Its not surprising those closest to the entire process don't want to relinquish more control especially when a little clambering starts. What do you think Last Deck was all about.
3; Why did I bring up Akagi; it clearly shows how the process has progressed. When you add say the Hudson MkIII you've expanded the game; A Peter Strasser you've balanced the game. When you change an Original you have altered the game.
4; Correcting Units; Its obvious to most of us some units need correction mainly IMO to have some quality play time. Their are degrees of necessity; something like Balzano Myoko etc. paramount to something like the Baltimore's Torp defense, something we can all live with.
Akagi are you kidding, if you find that much fault in this unit to change it you might as well change them all in the in the likeness of who's ever on that team.
We have all in our own mind seen things that don't work and we've discussed it; players have taken it upon them selfs to change it. But when you start to alter original singular units; that at least should be a Forum discussion before addition.
A little post mark here; RB's operational units did not obsolete themselves or alter the game they expanded on it.
I posted how i think the process should move forward and my distaste for how it is moving forward; Now i'm a communist, should retract my views on views, how dare you call any unit a pet project and i'm a unit selector.
All i've ever been an proponent of is more Forum input into the Team decks not total control; It always seems those closest to the control of the Forum Team Decks squawk the loudest; Most people like to led by ignorance and apathy i'm to old for that shi!!!
We didn't find fault with Akagi. And our version certainly does not obsolete or replace the original. The original is still cheaper and has the coveted expert torp.
It got done because more felt that it's better than another fantasy carrier.
And I'm sure if you polled the entire forum it would be just as close a vote with the variant being the winner
To you from failing hands we throw the torch be yours to hold it high. -In Flanders Fields. John McCrea
We didn't find fault with Akagi. And our version certainly does not obsolete or replace the original. The original is still cheaper and has the coveted expert torp.
It got done because more felt that it's better than another fantasy carrier.
And I'm sure if you polled the entire forum it would be just as close a vote with the variant being the winner
I guess we do what we do here because we like to chat about something we are fond of being part of. I really didn't mean to get to over zealous about it; its just a personal view [and i would say there are many] of how i would have liked the process move forward.
I'm sure your right about the poll; at the least I would have loved to have seen that. You say it was done that way because more felt it was better that way; whats more the Forum or the Team;
You see to me its how this Team has taken the process to a new level and how future Teams will. I understand most do give a shiii;; I'm little more picky about it; Im not playing chess with any one altering the pieces.
Didn't really want to go here, but you and the team have no precedent go were you went with Akagi; Closest unit is Bismarck; RB changed no values and only added an SA and Cost to reflect the true one and only important Operation of the unit.
Teams have tried with many Operational units and only failed to help the game and truly added nothing but more errata. Like i've said, i expected more from the Team decks, but they are really becoming nothing more than anyone else's.
Some really interesting units still being made, big plus to what i see as an extension of the game, as i would assume the New Akagi is to others.