However this ends up, just looking at your mention on something along the lines of a requisition SA line, I think it will help to have something. Thinking of the flagging on the Nabob here or the lend lease line. This needs to be clear that it can be used in UK fleets, as obviously a US unit. This was the discussion that came up a few decks ago regards use, flagging etc.
I do wish in hindsight if we were going to do this anyway, we would have done it then. As it was we went the Melbourne Star route. The UK could have got a more useful auxiliary, working around this. No doubt its short of 'working' auxiliary's, Oiler, sub tender, AA ships etc. Ohio will help with a potential speed boost for those older UK BBs but only to a limited extent and crucially only from 1941 on wards or pretty much 42 if you strict house rule historically pre Dec 7th.
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"We went out, got our arses kicked, then came back again"
Just thinking about this further was this ever considered this time round, as a UK slot with a 1942 date? The US already has a tanker, so it wouldn't see them without a tanker but then again I suppose you could say why not just give the UK a 1939 tanker, to help with the slow BBs from the get go.
It's just a matter of clarification here for the Ohio.
"That's right son, join the navy. Get behind a bloody big gun and knock the hell out of somebody"
"We went out, got our arses kicked, then came back again"
No matter what we do, we unfortunately can't make a ship that really reflect the absurd amount of punishment she took and still survived. I wish we could...
We gave up a 1939 tanker because of the greater name recognition on Ohio. So yes,
So what about-
SS Ohio Aux 1941 Speed 1 AA 4 A1 V6 H3
DETERMINATION: Whenever this unit would be destroyed, roll a die. On a 5 or higher, the destruction is prevented and this unit remains in the game with 1 hull point.
Vital Supplies - In the air return, if this unit is adjacent to an island on your opponent's side of the map, you may remove it from the game and a friendly aircraft will not get rearming marker this turn. You can only remove one unit with Vital Supplies from the game per turn. Ypur opponent recieves no Victory Points if you use this ability.
Ocean Going Tanker- On thr first turn of the game, friendly ships with the SLOW ability may add 1 to the die when making that roll.
I would say if we were going to do a remove unit from game SA, just make it a score victory points. Again could work with a tanker ability of sorts but what about a OPG use on any turn of the players choosing.
"That's right son, join the navy. Get behind a bloody big gun and knock the hell out of somebody"
"We went out, got our arses kicked, then came back again"
V cargo could look more attractive if it's well nestled with plenty of other SAs. Determination is good, a tanker use of sorts is good with a bit of tweaking. Could even add a fourth to really go for it. I liked desperate AA but could be something else.
We gave up a 1939 tanker because of the greater name recognition on Ohio. So yes,
So what about-
SS Ohio Aux 1941 Speed 1 AA 4 A1 V6 H3
DETERMINATION: Whenever this unit would be destroyed, roll a die. On a 5 or higher, the destruction is prevented and this unit remains in the game with 1 hull point.
Vital Supplies - In the air return, if this unit is adjacent to an island on your opponent's side of the map, you may remove it from the game and a friendly aircraft will not get rearming marker this turn. You can only remove one unit with Vital Supplies from the game per turn. Ypur opponent recieves no Victory Points if you use this ability.
Ocean Going Tanker- On thr first turn of the game, friendly ships with the SLOW ability may add 1 to the die when making that roll.
However this ends up, just looking at your mention on something along the lines of a requisition SA line, I think it will help to have something. Thinking of the flagging on the Nabob here or the lend lease line. This needs to be clear that it can be used in UK fleets, as obviously a US unit. This was the discussion that came up a few decks ago regards use, flagging etc.
Just wondering again if this is going to have some sort of clarification along the lines above?
With the SAs, still not seeing V supplies as being a great payoff with just losing a rearming counter. Could the OG tanker name be improved on, Merchant tanker, Auxiliary tanker etc.? I do think it loses some potential flexibility with not being at users choice of turn for the speed boost though, if we're looking at this more from a gaming view. Obviously we are stretching history a bit with this to fit the requirement of a speed boost to certain UK ships, which doesn't always sit right! One of those game VS history clashes.
"That's right son, join the navy. Get behind a bloody big gun and knock the hell out of somebody"
"We went out, got our arses kicked, then came back again"
Its not a RFA tanker that could refuel at sea. Knowing you wont get caught out on turn1 would be the only reason id take this. But its not the same sort of ship as nesho or iro.
V-Supplies is still more valuable than V-Cargo. By the the time it can trigger attrition might make an extra fighter or bomber game-changing. Its not the sell though.
We can tinker with it, if you guys want, it but its utility will never equal its name recognition
We are obviously trying to get this in the game and then do multiple things with it. If the UK already had a tanker, then any sort of speed boost wouldn't be needed. This would then not have one at all and could concentrate on what it historically did, which I would have preferred for one. A fleet tanker could still appear down the line though. The potential of getting a speed boost for the slow BBs is obviously a draw and it's getting coupled on to this. If it does stay the same with the speculative tanker ability, Auxiliary tanker as a name at least states what it is. OG tanker doesn't do that and seems to imply other tankers might have been harbor bound! or whatever. Clarification too to clarify it can be used in UK fleets from the date, then on the text side I would go the same route as Nabob with the flagging. Regardless of the SA suite the set up has to be right first. An unusual first for us though to this extent, I would say.
The original discussion on this having some sort of tanker ability was that it would benefit UK slow BBs in particular. Its in for the Pedestal reason and not because the US need it, as they already have a fleet tanker. In a nation pure setting and with it being a US card still, it needs text on the gaming card side to say it can be based in a UK fleet. The text and potential flag symbols (like Nabob) on the fluff side would give further evidence of this being on loan and manned by the UK.
I've already accepted this is going to have some sort of speculative tanker replenishment ability but an SA name of auxiliary tanker would differentiate and clarify it from the naval tankers. I was also just pointing out that if the UK already had a pure fleet tanker, this ability on Ohio wouldn't be needed and it could have just been a straight auxiliary.
"That's right son, join the navy. Get behind a bloody big gun and knock the hell out of somebody"
"We went out, got our arses kicked, then came back again"