#S7 Veteran Swordfish - Ready for Card

Why TT 1 on this one? It should be 2 like all the other Swordfish...

Those certainly don’t compare. 7 is too low.

Wizards torpedo bombers cost

15 Grace
14 Jill TBF
13 Kate
12 Barracuda
11 Type 97 TBF-1 Sturmovik
10 Swordfish II
9 Devastator Swordfish I

There’s no reason why any carrier bomber would be cheaper than 8. If you cut the SAs off of the 9-point Swordfish it’s probably an 8 and this isn’t that.

Loiter is not a wash. The flying boats don’t need a carrier so they are cheaper!

Dumont D’Urville 6 (similar garbage hull)
PBY 7
Airone 6
19 points
4 torpedoes max per turn

Colossus 12
Swordfish I 9 x 2 18
30 points
4-6 torpedoes per turn

Loitering patrol bombers are not a 1:1 comparison here. You have to look at the lineage of carrier-capable torpedo bombers and build from there. 7 is too low.

Sorry been swamped the past two weeks... so I'll be trying to play catch-up.
I still like this version the best so far:
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Elite Swordfish
Torpedo Bomber 1939
Speed A
ASW 3
TT 2
A3 V6 H1

ALTERNATE PAYLOAD 5: Once per game, this unit can make a 5-dice Bomb attack instead of a Torpedo attack during your Air Attack step.

DETERMINED ATTACK: Whenever this unit is aborted by a Ship's Antiair attack, you may roll a die. On a 1, destroy this unit. On a 4 or higher, this unit can make either a Bomb attack or a Torpedo attack during the Air Attack phase. You get -1 on each attack die for that attack, or roll one less attack die for that Torpedo attack.

Fleet Air Arm Overstack - A UK Carrier with a basing capacity of 3 or fewer can base one additional Aircraft that has this ability.

Valiant - in the air attack step. For each friendly aborted or destroy aircraft in its sector this unit gains +1 armour this turn. This units armour cannot exceed its vital armour
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Why?

1) It still has the 2d Attack at R0
2) You don't take damage out of phase if the unit is destroyed
3) The +1 armor helps against air and surface and it encourages you to use multiples instead of a mix of units (I like synergy with other units).
4) I'm assuming the cost will be 8, making it the cheapest torpedo carrier based bomber in the game.
5) It's a good attack craft in low point games that can be used in swarms... where you won't have a lot of the "Big Boys" on the map.

I agree you can't compare costs of a PB with a carrier bomber for several reason some were listed above.

Finally if we are all honest with ourselves, this would only be used in a early war game. In a strict RvB with no year limits game all versions will be overlooked for more powerful later year units.

We're agreed that 8 points, base torpedo 2 are locked in - meaning we can just refine the sa suite?

Okay, i suggest

Veteran Swordfish
Torpedo Bomber 1939
Points 8
Speed A
ASW 2
TT 2
A3 V6 H1

ALTERNATE PAYLOAD 5: Once per game, this unit can make a 5-dice Bomb attack instead of a Torpedo attack during your Air Attack step.

SURPRISE ATTACK : If you win initiative, this unit gets +1 armor and +1 vital armour.

Fleet Air Arm Overstack - A UK Carrier with a basing capacity of 3 or fewer can base one additional Aircraft that has this ability.

I'm ok with this.