Just a question for some hypothetical scenario I'm working at;
Does anyone know or know where to find the strength and composition of the US battleships around the time of midway? Say 6 months past Pearl? Specifically ships available to the pacific fleet.
"That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been"
BBs available at the time of the battle: BB–38 Pennsylvania BB-43 Tennessee BB–42 Idaho BB-40 New Mexico BB-41 Mississippi BB-46 Maryland BB-45 Colorado
I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way. - Captain John Paul Jones
I read an interesting article not too long ago about this very topic which of course I can't find now for you. The argument of it was by 6 months after Pearl the battle line was better trained and equipped than if the Japanese had never attacked but due o fuel shortages was never moved to the frontline. The Pacific Fleet's old battleships were organized into Task Force 1 and were held in reserve for Midway and the Solomons operation. They were Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Tennessee, all repaired and slightly upgraded within weeks following the attack, plus Colorado, which had been on the West Coast in drydock during the attack, and Mississippi, New Mexico, and Idaho, which had been transferred from the East Coast following the attack. The CVE Long Island and 3 destroyers rounded out the force. While the TF1 was in position for Midway I believe the DDs were Cushing, Porter, and Aaron Ward.
Thanks both for the info! And for the great link by the way, I didn't know that one yet.
I saw on the linked site that BatDiv 4 with the 16" guns were detached for West Coast patrol duty btw... So that would leave 5 14" battlewagons to head for Midway in my alternative setup.
"That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been"
You might also have the 16" ships and DDs enter on turn 4 or something like that. I believe the idea was that the two forces would be mutually supporting. Plus the IJN was so dispersed for this operation it would be easy to have one of their TFs show up at the same time.
USS Washington was at Scapa Flow and USS North Carolina was entering the Pacific in early June. Theoretically could have been at Midway. BUT one of the main reason's BB's saw little action early in war; the USN did not have the fuel train it needed to supply both the Carriers and BB's under battle action conditions. Ships at that time burned about ten times the rate of fuel at full speed compared to cruising. Mainly why the march across the pacific started late 43. We can have are fun scenarios, but in the real world it wasn't going to happen.
Ships at that time burned about ten times the rate of fuel at full speed compared to cruising.
Excellent point that most people miss. That's why I keep telling people if they are making a "strategic" map, all ships move at the same speed (15 knots was typical cruising speed for almost all) on strategic maps, even if they can go faster when on the tactical map. That way fleets stayed together and they conserved fuel so that they "could" go faster in battle if needed.
Limiting "strategic speed" to 15 kts for all ships is also a very, very simple way to take care of it.
USS Washington was at Scapa Flow and USS North Carolina was entering the Pacific in early June. Theoretically could have been at Midway. BUT one of the main reason's BB's saw little action early in war; the USN did not have the fuel train it needed to supply both the Carriers and BB's under battle action conditions. Ships at that time burned about ten times the rate of fuel at full speed compared to cruising. Mainly why the march across the pacific started late 43. We can have are fun scenarios, but in the real world it wasn't going to happen.
All very true and I am very aware why the battleline did not see offensive deployment in the pacific war. This is indeed just for a 'fun' scenario.
"That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been"
USS Washington was at Scapa Flow and USS North Carolina was entering the Pacific in early June. Theoretically could have been at Midway. BUT one of the main reason's BB's saw little action early in war; the USN did not have the fuel train it needed to supply both the Carriers and BB's under battle action conditions. Ships at that time burned about ten times the rate of fuel at full speed compared to cruising. Mainly why the march across the pacific started late 43. We can have are fun scenarios, but in the real world it wasn't going to happen.
All very true and I am very aware why the battleline did not see offensive deployment in the pacific war. This is indeed just for a 'fun' scenario.
Did not mean to belabor the fun of creating scenarios. but if some wanted to add a little Historical why didn't we;; you could mix it up a bit. Take a carrier out and add some BB's and so on. "Instead of all CV's; have some Surface Action";; as stated add a BB or two from both sides a few turns later. Midway all out!! or Midway after the Carrier Action "all CV's lost" Now that would be Interesting the US Battleline lead by N Carolina against Yamato and her Battleline I believe [Mutsu Nagato] [Ise Hyuga Fuso Yamashiro ] and the 4 Kongo's
Don't forget Saratoga! A scenario, following mutual destruction by the carrier forces, that saw the battleline arrive onsite with Saratoga and Long Island would be very interesting. The Japanese would have the advantage in battleships (IMO), but the US would (I believe) have the air advantage (Midway survivors + Saratoga and Long Island, versus Hoshu and a couple seaplane tenders).
Keep in mind Saratoga's air group was on Yorktown because Yorktown's had been devastated at Coral Sea. Maybe include her with a devastator, a french vindicator, and one of the new US buffaloes coming out in the next deck to show that she doesn't have her front line aircraft.