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#41 USS Drayton - Done Jul 4, 2023 21:37:15 GMT

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Post by gaz01 on Jul 4, 2023 21:37:15 GMT

What about this? Tidied a little.

After first operating as a carrier escort for Lexington & Enterprise, Drayton was redeployed to the Solomons campaign and fought at the battle of Tassafaronga. Among the destroyers leading the US fleet in the opening exchanges and later picking up survivors of the sunken Northampton. She remained in the south pacific for the rest of the war and was nicknamed the "Blue Beetle" for uniquely sporting a blue overall color scheme. USS Drayton earned 11 battle stars for her service.

This second one has the content of the second last sentence switched around. Might read better?

After first operating as a carrier escort for Lexington & Enterprise, Drayton was redeployed to the Solomons campaign and fought at the battle of Tassafaronga. Among the destroyers leading the US fleet in the opening exchanges and later picking up survivors of the sunken Northampton. She was nicknamed the "Blue Beetle" for uniquely sporting a blue overall color scheme and remained in the south pacific for the rest of the war. USS Drayton earned 11 battle stars for her service.

Last Edit: Jul 4, 2023 21:45:53 GMT by gaz01

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TrickiVic Forumini Lieutenant Posts: 717	#41 USS Drayton - Done Jul 5, 2023 23:21:42 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by TrickiVic on Jul 5, 2023 23:21:42 GMT Second one sounds better
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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,661	#41 USS Drayton - Done Jul 6, 2023 1:23:26 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Jul 6, 2023 1:23:26 GMT Maybe pick between first and after in sentence1

gaz01 Forumini Lieutenant Posts: 649	#41 USS Drayton - Done Jul 7, 2023 4:16:33 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by gaz01 on Jul 7, 2023 4:16:33 GMT Yeah, After would be best. First would mean a 'then' having to be added in between 'was & redeployed' further on in the sentence.
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#41 USS Drayton - Done Jul 8, 2023 4:52:04 GMT Theaetetus likes this

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USS Drayton DD 366

Destroyer 1941

Points 8

Speed 2

MG 4 4 3

AA 6

ASW 5

TT 2 2 1

A2 V6 H2

CARRIER ESCORT: The sector this unit is in can contain one friendly Ship above the stacking limit, if one of those Ships is a Carrier.

Air Rescue -The first time a friendly aircraft is destroyed. Score 3 victory points at the end of the turn. You can only use Air Rescue once per game.

After operating as a carrier escort for Lexington & Enterprise, Drayton was redeployed to the Solomons campaign and fought at the battle of Tassafaronga. Among the destroyers leading the US fleet in the opening exchanges and later picking up survivors of the sunken Northampton. She was nicknamed the "Blue Beetle" for uniquely sporting a blue overall color scheme and remained in the south pacific for the rest of the war. USS Drayton earned 11 battle stars for her service.

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#41 USS Drayton - Done Jun 27, 2024 4:57:41 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 27, 2024 4:57:41 GMT

Hey guys, after going through the thread I realize you correctly modeled this after USS Smith. However, USS Smith was a very borderline "8" vs "7". The 2/6/2 hull is a pretty significant handicap. Smith has two arguably very good SAs while Drayton only has one so-so good SA. Carrier Escort is a very situational SA. I know the French fleet fans absolutely hate that SA. I think it would be very safe to give this one a cost of 7. And I probably still wouldn't use it because the US has so many better AA options for carrier escorts.

From what I can tell the Drayton participated in a lot of patrol and escort missions during the Solomons, Cape Gloucester, and the Philippines campaigns including covering multiple amphibious landings. She only escorted Enterprise once very early in the war.

How about giving it Destroyer Division instead of Carrier Escort? That makes it a partner with USS Buchanan from the last deck.

Destroyer Division - If you control any other Destroyers with Destroyer Division, this unit rolls one extra attack die when making Main Gunnery attacks. Air Rescue is fine since it is a 0 cost SA anyway.

I would still give it a cost of 7.

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#41 USS Drayton - Done Jun 27, 2024 5:00:19 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 27, 2024 5:00:19 GMT

And wouldn't Rescue Operations be more appropriate?

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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,661	#41 USS Drayton - Done Jun 27, 2024 5:28:29 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Jun 27, 2024 5:28:29 GMT For the sake of getting these done. I'll second this. If you wanted an aa ship to escort a carrier you'd likely use something like atlanta

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#41 USS Drayton - Done Jun 27, 2024 6:15:56 GMT

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Jun 27, 2024 5:28:29 GMT flakstruk said:

For the sake of getting these done. I'll second this.

If you wanted an aa ship to escort a carrier you'd likely use something like atlanta

Exactly. I also see San Diego used in adjacent sectors quite a bit. You can really setup a flak barrage around a US carrier fleet already.

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#41 USS Drayton - Done Jun 28, 2024 4:47:25 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 28, 2024 4:47:25 GMT

I know I did some serious "re-casting" of this card, but I hated to see it be too niche like its sister Smith. Also, while looking up the proper wording for the Rescue Operations SA on the HMCS St. Laurent card it became obvious Drayton should be an 8. Drayton has much better AA, better torps, and arguably a better primary SA. So how does this strike you?

Oh, and the big thing! Since the ship was called the "blue beetle" and the USN took a nice (and rare) color photograph of her I thought we should "do the exception that makes the rule" and use the color photo. If you don't like it there are numerous b & w photos we can use.

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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,661	#41 USS Drayton - Done Jun 28, 2024 5:48:37 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Jun 28, 2024 5:48:37 GMT I think its ok

weedsrock2 Administrator Posts: 5,184	#41 USS Drayton - Done Jun 28, 2024 22:37:25 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 28, 2024 22:37:25 GMT Okay. Thanks. Locked and loaded.
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gaz01 Forumini Lieutenant Posts: 649	#41 USS Drayton - Done Jul 10, 2024 23:31:25 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by gaz01 on Jul 10, 2024 23:31:25 GMT That image is that one that keeps popping up in books, although it must be zoomed in a little, as I've never seen that wing tip in the shot. Presume it was rare as most were still shot in B&W at that point.
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#41 USS Drayton - Done Jul 11, 2024 1:07:15 GMT

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Jul 10, 2024 23:31:25 GMT gaz01 said:

That image is that one that keeps popping up in books, although it must be zoomed in a little, as I've never seen that wing tip in the shot. Presume it was rare as most were still shot in B&W at that point.

Pretty rare. I agree the photo has probably been cropped in most cases. But I liked the bright yellow "pre-war" wing color. I think it adds interest and contrast to the photo rather than just a lot of blue.

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#41 USS Drayton - Done Jul 11, 2024 1:12:09 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Jul 11, 2024 1:12:09 GMT

The photo is too small here for you to really see it, but one interesting thing about the photo is that the color transition on the foremast goes from blue to white almost exactly on the horizon. Just like it was supposed to do! I don't know how much that really gains, but it is interesting.

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#41 USS Drayton - Done

Post by gaz01 on Jul 4, 2023 21:37:15 GMT

Post by TrickiVic on Jul 5, 2023 23:21:42 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Jul 6, 2023 1:23:26 GMT

Post by gaz01 on Jul 7, 2023 4:16:33 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Jul 8, 2023 4:52:04 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 27, 2024 4:57:41 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 27, 2024 5:00:19 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Jun 27, 2024 5:28:29 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 27, 2024 6:15:56 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 28, 2024 4:47:25 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Jun 28, 2024 5:48:37 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 28, 2024 22:37:25 GMT

Post by gaz01 on Jul 10, 2024 23:31:25 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Jul 11, 2024 1:07:15 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on Jul 11, 2024 1:12:09 GMT

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