Post by flakstruk on Jan 26, 2023 23:28:15 GMT
Though it was listed as scout cruiser. Id like to discuss which of the 2 related designs represents a consensus for the best unit.
Most will be aware that Romania sought to have a cruiser built by italy from 1937. The navy's inital specifucation were responsed too with the:
UP-102 Design (The Italian Deutschland)
A later unsolicited proposal from a rival shipyard looked like this
OTO (Odero Terni Orlando) scout cruiser:
Dimensions: 140 (pp) x 16,2 x 8,6m
Displacement: 4.500tons (standard), 6.000tons (full load)
Engines: 75.000shp Steam Turbines, 2 shafts
Speed: 67km/h (36knots)
Armour: 52mm Belt, 25mm Deck
Armaments:
2x3 152mm/55 Modello 1936 OTO Guns
4x2 37mm/54 Modello 1938 Breda AA Guns
4x2 13,2mm/75,7 Breda AA Guns
1x4 533mm Torpedo Tubes
1-3 Floatplanes presumably Arado Ar-196
So we're given 2 distinct options. The decision of which comes down to what make a romanian navy/axis fleet on the black sea more effective and rounded (at about 100 points)
The UP102 was what the romanian navy initially wanted and represents a counter to the large powerful units of nearby navy (gangut class & yavuz) and superior to the other cruisers (averoff & kirovs). If that's a reasonable assumption, then it'd have abilities that support itself in that "capital ship" role. Chase The Salvoes & Battleship Killer as an example. As a big prestigous ship, probably with a flag rating.
The OTO while inferior to most heavy cruisers and even the better treaty era light cruisers. It is still however the most powerful ship in the romanian fleet. Thus likely to be equipped for and used as the flagship. It also has the better aviation facilities for scouting ect. Acting to engage more powerful opponents with the fleet unit on advantageous terms. As an example Flotilla Leader and Scout Planes(torpedoes). Flotilla leader negates the need for flag and would cut Dacia's lunch
So speculation abd suggestions are welcome but the aim for this slot now is what role is most pressing (not limited to the 2 above)
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Most will be aware that Romania sought to have a cruiser built by italy from 1937. The navy's inital specifucation were responsed too with the:
UP-102 Design (The Italian Deutschland)
Dimensions: 187,5 (oa) x 21 x 5,8m
Displacement: 10.770tons (standard), 13.500tons (full load)
Engines: 75.000shp Steam Turbines, 4 shafts
Speed: 57km/h (31knots)
Armour: 102mm Belt, 64mm Deck
Armaments:
2x3 280mm/50 Guns (Either new guns of Italian or Swedish origin or German ones used on the Deutschlands)
6x2 120mm/40 Modello 1938/39 DP-AA Guns (New development)
8x2 40mm/56 Bofors AA Guns
8x2 20mm/65 Modello 1935 Breda AA Guns
2x3 533mm Torpedo Tubes
A later unsolicited proposal from a rival shipyard looked like this
OTO (Odero Terni Orlando) scout cruiser:
Dimensions: 140 (pp) x 16,2 x 8,6m
Displacement: 4.500tons (standard), 6.000tons (full load)
Engines: 75.000shp Steam Turbines, 2 shafts
Speed: 67km/h (36knots)
Armour: 52mm Belt, 25mm Deck
Armaments:
2x3 152mm/55 Modello 1936 OTO Guns
4x2 37mm/54 Modello 1938 Breda AA Guns
4x2 13,2mm/75,7 Breda AA Guns
1x4 533mm Torpedo Tubes
1-3 Floatplanes presumably Arado Ar-196
So we're given 2 distinct options. The decision of which comes down to what make a romanian navy/axis fleet on the black sea more effective and rounded (at about 100 points)
The UP102 was what the romanian navy initially wanted and represents a counter to the large powerful units of nearby navy (gangut class & yavuz) and superior to the other cruisers (averoff & kirovs). If that's a reasonable assumption, then it'd have abilities that support itself in that "capital ship" role. Chase The Salvoes & Battleship Killer as an example. As a big prestigous ship, probably with a flag rating.
The OTO while inferior to most heavy cruisers and even the better treaty era light cruisers. It is still however the most powerful ship in the romanian fleet. Thus likely to be equipped for and used as the flagship. It also has the better aviation facilities for scouting ect. Acting to engage more powerful opponents with the fleet unit on advantageous terms. As an example Flotilla Leader and Scout Planes(torpedoes). Flotilla leader negates the need for flag and would cut Dacia's lunch
So speculation abd suggestions are welcome but the aim for this slot now is what role is most pressing (not limited to the 2 above)
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