#69 Chacabuco - Chile - Done

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#69 Chacabuco - Chile - Done Mar 15, 2022 9:13:59 GMT

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Chacabuco - Cruiser
Cruiser
Speed 2

Mg 6 5 5 4
AA 4
A2 V8 H3

Slow 2

Notes,
A protected cruiser. Meaning she lacked an armoured belt and relied on compartmentalisation and her bunkers to protect vital spaces.
Commissioned in 1898 and armed with 2x8" guns. Chacabuco was placed in reserve in 1928.

Ww2 saw her reactivated and modernised. She remained in good condition. Modernisation standardised her to 6x6" guns and 4x 40mm. (40mm were later replaced by 10x 20mm in 1945)

Used to lead/support destroyers in maintaining chilean neutrality. B/U in 1950s.

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raevski Administrator Cooking with gas Posts: 1,605	#69 Chacabuco - Chile - Done Mar 16, 2022 10:08:41 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by raevski on Mar 16, 2022 10:08:41 GMT Some stat adjustments Mains should be closer to 5443 new stat line for 8’ 2nd should be on. Maybe 443? 75’s ? 3rds 22? AA4 Armour 3 it had plenty of armour more than a fletcher.

flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,661	#69 Chacabuco - Chile - Done Mar 16, 2022 12:09:22 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Mar 16, 2022 12:09:22 GMT 8" were removed when she refitted for war service. Her armament after that point is 6x6" guns only. Armour given the lack of belt armour is up for discussion.
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#69 Chacabuco - Chile - Done Mar 16, 2022 18:35:41 GMT

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Post by joshuphigh on Mar 16, 2022 18:35:41 GMT

Mar 16, 2022 12:09:22 GMT flakstruk said:

8" were removed when she refitted for war service. Her armament after that point is 6x6" guns only.

Armour given the lack of belt armour is up for discussion.

She technically doesn't have belt armor, but she does have a pretty decent amount of deck armor. This isn't the normal deck armor we're used to though, where it's only vertical. It also runs down diagonally to go under the water line, fully protecting the machinery/magazines (sort of like a turtleback scheme, actually). I say there should be some debate between armor 3 and 4 though, since while the armor is somewhat thick and angled, it was probably made from relatively (for WWII) quality steel, having been made prior to 1900.

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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,661	#69 Chacabuco - Chile - Done Mar 16, 2022 18:52:46 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Mar 16, 2022 18:52:46 GMT I didnt see the armour layout in any of the references. So yeah, that sounds good. My mistake.

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#69 Chacabuco - Chile - Done Mar 17, 2022 0:36:09 GMT

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I couldn't either, but I figured it would be weird for the designers to do something like that before ships shot at longer ranges. Sorta bad sourcing but the Wikipedia explanation of the difference between an armored cruiser and a protected cruiser sort of cleared it up.

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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,661	#69 Chacabuco - Chile - Done Mar 17, 2022 1:52:43 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Mar 17, 2022 1:52:43 GMT Quick firing armour piercing weapons nullified the concept to its a tough one to fit in ww2.

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#69 Chacabuco - Chile - Done Mar 17, 2022 2:01:52 GMT

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Post by Theaetetus on Mar 17, 2022 2:01:52 GMT

We could up the armour and lower the vital armour? (It is true that the belt is generally present to protect against more catastrophic hits, which VA represents, right?) We could also give her tough cruiser, as a half-way point (destroyer shells tended to be smaller than cruisers at least, though it makes sense that the armour would not be effective).

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#69 Chacabuco - Chile - Done Mar 17, 2022 4:44:20 GMT via mobile

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Both are abstractions. Wrecking the bridge and range finder will take a ship out of the fight as surely as flooded engineering space.

3/8/3 is about right for a small cruiser. Id think gunnery would be a priority over defence for this one though

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#69 Chacabuco - Chile - Done Mar 20, 2022 1:51:30 GMT

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Mar 17, 2022 4:44:20 GMT flakstruk said:

Both are abstractions. Wrecking the bridge and range finder will take a ship out of the fight as surely as flooded engineering space.

3/8/3 is about right for a small cruiser. Id think gunnery would be a priority over defence for this one though

Gunnery abilities over defense abilities i mean

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#69 Chacabuco - Chile - Done Mar 26, 2022 2:57:34 GMT

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Post by flakstruk on Mar 26, 2022 2:57:34 GMT

Im thinking, as she wasnt notably deployed eith Admiral Latorre, what about this

Flotilla Escort - The sector this unit is in may contain three friendly ships insteas of two. If both friendly ships are destroyers.

Gives a incentive to create 2 battle groups rather than latorre + chacabuco + screen.

We could double down with guard the flotilla too, so you got to shoot her marginally better armour first not the dds

Theaetetus Forumini Rear Admiral Posts: 4,900	#69 Chacabuco - Chile - Done Mar 26, 2022 3:47:56 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Theaetetus on Mar 26, 2022 3:47:56 GMT Guard the Flotilla and 3 HP are a nice combo. We could also do Tough Cruiser + Armour 2, but that may clutter the number of SAs involved
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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,661	#69 Chacabuco - Chile - Done Mar 26, 2022 4:06:39 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Mar 26, 2022 4:06:39 GMT Honestly not a fan of tough cruiser or armoured deck as SAs. But thats the impetus we can go that way.

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#69 Chacabuco - Chile - Done Apr 8, 2022 2:24:35 GMT

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Post by flakstruk on Apr 8, 2022 2:24:35 GMT

Lol, i just read this again after proposing tough cruiser for the bahia.

I think 3/8/3 works and as i said ahead, encouraging 2 battle groups rather than paired chacabuco and lattore fits the history that i can find.

Summarising,

SA proposal:

Guard the Flotilla

and

Flotilla Escort - The sector this unit is in may contain three friendly ships insteas of two. If both friendly ships are destroyers.

Theaetetus Forumini Rear Admiral Posts: 4,900	#69 Chacabuco - Chile - Done Apr 8, 2022 11:11:07 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Theaetetus on Apr 8, 2022 11:11:07 GMT Guard the Flotilla and Flotilla Escort look good to me
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#69 Chacabuco - Chile - Done

Post by flakstruk on Mar 15, 2022 9:13:59 GMT

Post by raevski on Mar 16, 2022 10:08:41 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Mar 16, 2022 12:09:22 GMT

Post by joshuphigh on Mar 16, 2022 18:35:41 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Mar 16, 2022 18:52:46 GMT

Post by joshuphigh on Mar 17, 2022 0:36:09 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Mar 17, 2022 1:52:43 GMT

Post by Theaetetus on Mar 17, 2022 2:01:52 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Mar 17, 2022 4:44:20 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Mar 20, 2022 1:51:30 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Mar 26, 2022 2:57:34 GMT

Post by Theaetetus on Mar 26, 2022 3:47:56 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Mar 26, 2022 4:06:39 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Apr 8, 2022 2:24:35 GMT

Post by Theaetetus on Apr 8, 2022 11:11:07 GMT

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