#2 Hector Waller (Commander) - Review card

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#2 Hector Waller (Commander) - Review card Feb 9, 2022 22:50:34 GMT

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Commands: HMS Brazen 1937
HMAS Stuart 1939-40; 10th Destroyer Flotilla (Scrap Iron Flotilla)
HMAS Perth (Abda)

Noted traits,
Highly regarded by peers.

"Hard over Hec", aggressive evasive actions to avoid enemy bombers

Supported north african campaigns, supplied tobrouk with over 100 missions

10th DF is credited 2 destroyers at the battle of cape matapan.

Lost with HMS Perth, leading USS Houston in battle of the Sunda Strait.

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(REQUIRED)Commander: This unit is attached to a friendly ship in the deployment phase. If that ship is destroyed or removed from the map, this unit is removed from play.

Flagship Bonus: If this unit is attached to a classification with the attribute*. You gain the Bonus to that ship.

Fleet Bonus: If you control Number of classification with the attribute*. You gain Bonus (for your fleet)

Optional minor flavor SA

*attribute being a SA or core stat value reflective of the commanders historical units

Card development period ends march 10

Last Edit: Sept 2, 2024 4:26:21 GMT by weedsrock2

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#2 Hector Waller (Commander) - Review card Feb 16, 2022 4:35:23 GMT

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Post by flakstruk on Feb 16, 2022 4:35:23 GMT

As a suggestion for the flagship bonus,

New Ability - If this unit is attached to a friendly cruiser with the ability "Cruiser Hunter". That cruiser may make a second main gunnery attack in the surface attack phase. This attack only hits on a 6

As a fleet bonus suggestion,
New Ability - If you control four destroyers with a vital armour of 7 or less. Destroyers in your fleet have +1 armour versus bomb attack

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#2 Hector Waller (Commander) - Review card Feb 17, 2022 3:13:34 GMT via mobile Theaetetus likes this

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Post by raevski on Feb 17, 2022 3:13:34 GMT

I suggest Hec as a DD commander and Collins a Crusier commander.
My take.
Hec must be attached to a Destroyer.
That destroyer gains the ability Destroyer Leader
Fleet bonus “Hard over Hec” when I ship is hit by an aircraft on a 5+ that damage is ignored.

brenticus86 Forumini Ensign Posts: 424	#2 Hector Waller (Commander) - Review card Feb 18, 2022 3:56:10 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by brenticus86 on Feb 18, 2022 3:56:10 GMT Destroyer leader sounds appropriate. I like the defense from bombing flair as well. Not too overpowering but some nice color. On a destroyer he won’t last long.

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#2 Hector Waller (Commander) - Review card Feb 18, 2022 9:56:06 GMT via mobile

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Post by flakstruk on Feb 18, 2022 9:56:06 GMT

I would personally prefer not to make commanders dependant on any other unit. "Must be attached to classification"

Its something in the my experience, the teams have avoided. Its really more somethjng that youd expect for a scenario than a scratch game.
It'd been my hope that we'd have a consistent and uniform layout for these caeds which informed the format of the opening post.
Most of this was covered in the admirals discussions prior the holidays.

Specific to Hector Waller, i defenitely think his command of HMAS Perth in thr Dutch East Indies campaign warrants looking at.

While Collins was more senior, and commanded more ships. I couldnt see much actual action outside of the overwheming island hopping taskforces. That what the deciding factor. If a second tranche of commanders came along, nothing prevents a dedicated Cruiser collins and a cruiser/destroyer waller option.

Last Edit: Feb 18, 2022 9:58:45 GMT by flakstruk

raevski Administrator Cooking with gas Posts: 1,605	#2 Hector Waller (Commander) - Review card Feb 19, 2022 2:29:57 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by raevski on Feb 19, 2022 2:29:57 GMT I see Collins as the crusier option for next set.

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#2 Hector Waller (Commander) - Review card Feb 20, 2022 6:15:50 GMT

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Post by flakstruk on Feb 20, 2022 6:15:50 GMT

Feb 19, 2022 2:29:57 GMT raevski said:

I see Collins as the crusier option for next set.

Yeah, thats fine. Id rather not half do waller for collins sake.

Looking at your proposals, with the standardised format

Veteran Destroyer Flotilla: If this unit is attached to a destroyer. that ship has Flag 1. If a local or adjacent destroyers is damaged by a bomb attack. Roll a die, on a 5+ ignore that damage.

Defiant Attack: If you control a local of a friendly cruiser, the unit this commander is attached to, and the friendly cruiser move at the end of the movement phase.

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#2 Hector Waller (Commander) - Review card Feb 28, 2022 6:05:14 GMT

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Post by flakstruk on Feb 28, 2022 6:05:14 GMT

Just over a week left on this card development period.

HMAS Stuart already has destroyer leader.
Perhaps commanders should by default have a flag value? Saves explaination and adds value.

Considering this more here is my completed proposal for this unit

Hector Waller - Australia 1939
Flag 1

Commander: This unit is attached to a friendly ship in the deployment phase. If that ship is destroyed or removed from the map, this unit is removed from play.

Aggression: If this unit is attached to a Destroyer or Cruiser. All local cruiser or destroyers roll +1 die on thier first attack of the surface attack phase.

Veteran Destroyer Flotilla: Enemy bomb attacks are at -1 against friendly destroyers with vital of 7 or less.

Potshot: The unit this commander is attached to is immune to mines.

Last Edit: Feb 28, 2022 6:07:42 GMT by flakstruk

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#2 Hector Waller (Commander) - Review card Feb 28, 2022 6:07:12 GMT

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Post by flakstruk on Feb 28, 2022 6:07:12 GMT

The above gives the functional +1 to initative, give advantage to a cruiser or destroyer as flagship and protects destroyers against air attack

Collins can have a flotilla cruiser ability which suits his history and be distinct in that

Last Edit: Feb 28, 2022 6:08:21 GMT by flakstruk

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#2 Hector Waller (Commander) - Review card Mar 2, 2022 16:14:36 GMT via mobile

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Post by Theaetetus on Mar 2, 2022 16:14:36 GMT

Potshot is excellent :-)

I would also prefer the evasion ability over the -1 on die, since that prevents all damage (and small dds have the most to lose from being crippled, since they usually don't have high stats in the first place). The restriction to a VA less than 7 seems good though (a flotilla of Legions near-immune to bombs is a trifle disconcerting...)

Edit: Aggression also looks good.

Last Edit: Mar 2, 2022 16:15:20 GMT by Theaetetus

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#2 Hector Waller (Commander) - Review card Mar 2, 2022 22:25:06 GMT

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Post by flakstruk on Mar 2, 2022 22:25:06 GMT

Unfortunately the extra flotilla leader tonnage pushes HMAS Stuart to Vital 7. Givrn thats the ship that inspired the SA, its a bit rough to miss it.

If the full negation of attacks us preferred, then the unranged nature of the -1 would probably have to switch back to local/adjacent

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#2 Hector Waller (Commander) - Review card Mar 5, 2022 0:30:48 GMT via mobile

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Post by raevski on Mar 5, 2022 0:30:48 GMT

I agree give him flag1.
I like the avoiding air attack on a 5+ reminds me of the Tobruk ferry service and how they ran the gauntlet against constant Stuka attack.

How about we give him the ability to transfer to a second DDafter his is destroyed as we all know DDS can sink quickly.

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#2 Hector Waller (Commander) - Review card Mar 5, 2022 6:19:16 GMT

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Post by flakstruk on Mar 5, 2022 6:19:16 GMT

Hector Waller - Australia 1939
Flag 1

Commander: This unit is attached to a friendly ship in the deployment phase. If that ship is destroyed or removed from the map, this unit is removed from play.

Aggression: If this unit is attached to a Destroyer or Cruiser. All local cruiser or destroyers roll +1 die on thier first attack of the surface attack phase.

Veteran Destroyer Flotilla: If a local or adjacent destroyer is damaged or destroyed by a bomb attack. Roll a die, on +5 that unit takes no damage.

Potshot: The unit this commander is attached to is immune to mines.

With regards to transferring flag between ships. That was suggested for kurita? As he actually did so, i'd be willing to add it here in place of potshot. 4 SAs is the upper limit in my opinion.

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#2 Hector Waller (Commander) - Review card Mar 7, 2022 0:12:50 GMT

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Post by brenticus86 on Mar 7, 2022 0:12:50 GMT

Question in this case, if he has Flag 1 would it combine with the existing flag unit of the cruiser he's attached to? No destroyers with a flag I know of so that's not an issue.

Only 1 flagged vessel counts under the existing rules, so he'd have to have some wording that it actually is combined.

Theaetetus Forumini Rear Admiral Posts: 4,900	#2 Hector Waller (Commander) - Review card Mar 7, 2022 3:10:23 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Theaetetus on Mar 7, 2022 3:10:23 GMT A propos the flag ability, it could also be something like "+1 to this ships flagship bonus. If this ship has no flagship bonus, it gains flagship 1"
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#2 Hector Waller (Commander) - Review card

Post by flakstruk on Feb 9, 2022 22:50:34 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Feb 16, 2022 4:35:23 GMT

Post by raevski on Feb 17, 2022 3:13:34 GMT

Post by brenticus86 on Feb 18, 2022 3:56:10 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Feb 18, 2022 9:56:06 GMT

Post by raevski on Feb 19, 2022 2:29:57 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Feb 20, 2022 6:15:50 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Feb 28, 2022 6:05:14 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Feb 28, 2022 6:07:12 GMT

Post by Theaetetus on Mar 2, 2022 16:14:36 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Mar 2, 2022 22:25:06 GMT

Post by raevski on Mar 5, 2022 0:30:48 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Mar 5, 2022 6:19:16 GMT

Post by brenticus86 on Mar 7, 2022 0:12:50 GMT

Post by Theaetetus on Mar 7, 2022 3:10:23 GMT

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