#47 Jääkarhu - ready

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#47 Jääkarhu - ready Feb 9, 2022 2:03:36 GMT via mobile

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Jääkarhu
Commissioned 2nd March 1926
Decommissioned 24 December 1945 (transferred to USSR)

Armament,
4x Obuhov 102mm cannon (probably 1911 pattern)
2x Vickers 40mm

2,622 GRT[1]
Displacement
4,836 tons
Length
78.45 m (257.4 ft) (overall)
75.00 m (246.06 ft) (waterline)
Beam
19.28 m (63.3 ft) (moulded)
18.50 m (60.7 ft) (waterline)
Draught
6.5 m (21 ft)

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Auxilary 1939
Speed 1
MG 4 4 3
AA 4

A2 V8 H3

Development Comments:
1. An effective and "lucky" escort. Often attacked but never hit.

2. Largest of its type in finninsh service

3. Was deployed as part of operation nordwind with major finnish units and german support units

4. Icebreaker; Classification is Auxiliary. Terrain modifying abilities will not be accepted. However a token ability that can be referenced by house rules or later interactions will be considered.

Card development will be closed 9 march(28 days)

Last Edit: May 20, 2023 0:48:00 GMT by flakstruk

joshuphigh Forumini Ensign Posts: 290	#47 Jääkarhu - ready Feb 9, 2022 2:24:45 GMT Theaetetus likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by joshuphigh on Feb 9, 2022 2:24:45 GMT I think the "Near Miss" SA from San Diego definitely fits this unit.
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raevski Administrator Cooking with gas Posts: 1,569	#47 Jääkarhu - ready Feb 9, 2022 20:19:53 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by raevski on Feb 9, 2022 20:19:53 GMT I would be tempted to make armour 3

raevski Administrator Cooking with gas Posts: 1,569	#47 Jääkarhu - ready Feb 9, 2022 20:22:11 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by raevski on Feb 9, 2022 20:22:11 GMT I think it should be aux and a sub class Icebreaker. The card says nothing more than that so “down the track” if some makes ice rules they can include icebreaker into it.

flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 8,370	#47 Jääkarhu - ready Feb 9, 2022 22:44:54 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Feb 9, 2022 22:44:54 GMT My preference is too leave classifications alone. The trick is to come up with a meaningful ICEBREAKER sa. That can be referenced the way nightfighter is by night rules.

flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 8,370	#47 Jääkarhu - ready Feb 14, 2022 1:50:27 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Feb 14, 2022 1:50:27 GMT A proposal, Ice Strengthened, until this unit takes damage, it has +1 armour.

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#47 Jääkarhu - ready Feb 17, 2022 23:03:12 GMT

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Post by gaz01 on Feb 17, 2022 23:03:12 GMT

Just a heads up in case its been overlooked , Brigs did a card for this previous a while back. Might help for core stats guidance, ideas etc.

s5.postimg.cc/sdgeqlqjr/Jaakarhu.jpg

Tried copy and pasting but its just leaving the link.

Last Edit: Feb 17, 2022 23:08:33 GMT by gaz01

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flakstruk
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#47 Jääkarhu - ready Feb 28, 2022 5:39:24 GMT

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Post by flakstruk on Feb 28, 2022 5:39:24 GMT

Just over week on this one.

She probably needs a movement or deployment SA and some manner of guard or escort SA.

The 2 largest finnish ships have coastal deployment, possible option for consistency.

An general rather than specific guard/escort option is probably preferable. Defend cripple perhaps.

Rather than something ice related, what abput just ram?
Its a bit of a nod, and if a homebrew ice rules set appears there a handful of other ships that would also function. Rather than just this ship. Ahistorical, but better in a gameplay perspective

Theaetetus Forumini Rear Admiral Posts: 4,837	#47 Jääkarhu - ready Mar 2, 2022 16:17:52 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Theaetetus on Mar 2, 2022 16:17:52 GMT What about an ability like desperate ram that doesn't sink Jääkarhu, but only does one damage to it? (And maybe also has a chance of missing, since the icebreaker was rather slow to be ramming with impunity)
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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 8,370	#47 Jääkarhu - ready Mar 2, 2022 22:31:14 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Mar 2, 2022 22:31:14 GMT I suppose desperate ram could work. I wouldnt bother writing a new RAM sa. Its just a nod to icebreaking afterall

raevski Administrator Cooking with gas Posts: 1,569	#47 Jääkarhu - ready Mar 3, 2022 7:33:53 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by raevski on Mar 3, 2022 7:33:53 GMT This is how I see it. Aux (icebreaker)leave it like that. How about this. Leading the attack 1. - this unit and one other local unit may no be 1 after set up but before the game starts

brenticus86 Forumini Ensign Posts: 422	#47 Jääkarhu - ready Mar 3, 2022 12:21:42 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by brenticus86 on Mar 3, 2022 12:21:42 GMT I like the sounds of lead the attack 1. That would give it some use. This little guy isn't going to defend many cripples, at least not for long.

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#47 Jääkarhu - ready Mar 4, 2022 2:05:20 GMT

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Post by flakstruk on Mar 4, 2022 2:05:20 GMT

Mar 3, 2022 7:33:53 GMT raevski said:

This is how I see it.
Aux (icebreaker)leave it like that.

How about this.
Leading the attack 1. - this unit and one other local unit may no be 1 after set up but before the game starts

I just dont see how this improves the unit. Yes, you can reference it for homebrew ice rules. But you can already do that with either special abilities or simply listing applicable units.
It rehashes thr bunfight over me262 being a jet or a fighter. In that one it erred on the existing. I think the same should apply here.

I have no resevations about lead the attack, if anything its on the modest side of SA possibilities

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#47 Jääkarhu - ready Mar 5, 2022 22:45:00 GMT

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Post by generalrubenski on Mar 5, 2022 22:45:00 GMT

For sure I think Jääkarhu should have a SA regarding the fact that it was never hit in combat. So near miss would be nice to see. The second SA I feel should be something with escorting other Aux. Ships since that what it did during the war too. Maybe an ability where if another Aux. vessel is in the same sector as it, enemies have to fire on the Jääkarhu first. Forgot which SA that was but I know we have one like that.

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#47 Jääkarhu - ready Mar 5, 2022 23:08:11 GMT generalrubenski likes this

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Mar 5, 2022 22:45:00 GMT generalrubenski said:

For sure I think Jääkarhu should have a SA regarding the fact that it was never hit in combat. So near miss would be nice to see. The second SA I feel should be something with escorting other Aux. Ships since that what it did during the war too. Maybe an ability where if another Aux. vessel is in the same sector as it, enemies have to fire on the Jääkarhu first. Forgot which SA that was but I know we have one like that.

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#47 Jääkarhu - ready

Post by flakstruk on Feb 9, 2022 2:03:36 GMT

Post by joshuphigh on Feb 9, 2022 2:24:45 GMT

Post by raevski on Feb 9, 2022 20:19:53 GMT

Post by raevski on Feb 9, 2022 20:22:11 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Feb 9, 2022 22:44:54 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Feb 14, 2022 1:50:27 GMT

Post by gaz01 on Feb 17, 2022 23:03:12 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Feb 28, 2022 5:39:24 GMT

Post by Theaetetus on Mar 2, 2022 16:17:52 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Mar 2, 2022 22:31:14 GMT

Post by raevski on Mar 3, 2022 7:33:53 GMT

Post by brenticus86 on Mar 3, 2022 12:21:42 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Mar 4, 2022 2:05:20 GMT

Post by generalrubenski on Mar 5, 2022 22:45:00 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Mar 5, 2022 23:08:11 GMT

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