Ocean was proposed in 1944. The au governmemt was hoping theyd be a gift from the uk. But didnt work out Sydney and melbourne were purchased in 1946 or 7 and sydney was deliver a year later. Melbourne was rebuilt and delivered later.
Wasted slots for me are things that only make it in because theyre on a class list in conways ect. When ships with different characteristics miss out
Although I personally would love Australia to have a carrier in this game the reality is that we didn't have one in WW2. IMO this makes the Sydney both a Hypothetical and a fantasy unit, more so than the Graf Zeppelin. A double waisted slot.
Don't you think that the Sydney and the Chinese ships fall outside the scope of W@S?
Also are you going to include a reference card detailing how the Admiral cards are to be play/used within W@S? Reference cards a a basic mechanic/feature in modern games nowadays with a recent trend for some games not to a rulebook just strategically placed reference cards.
Hypothetical and fantasy are one and the same and the game makes no distinction
Sydney(iii) does fall outside the scope of the game but Ocean is within. China... not my cup of tea. But depending on when they got thier ships back from japan. It can slide.
In my opinion, based on installations, no. Admiral cards wont have a reference card. Or so drastically veer from the rules that they require one. All required information will be on the card, like installations, and any bonuses will have to fit within that.
Hypothetical and fantasy are one and the same and the game makes no distinction
Sydney(iii) does fall outside the scope of the game but Ocean is within. China... not my cup of tea. But depending on when they got thier ships back from japan. It can slide.
In my opinion, based on installations, no. Admiral cards wont have a reference card. Or so drastically veer from the rules that they require one. All required information will be on the card, like installations, and any bonuses will have to fit within that.
No they are not one and the same. Fantasy can not physically exist or happen like Star Wars, Germans flying UFO's in WW2. Hypothetical is something that actually physically exists. You could actually touch it such as the Graf Zeppelin etc.
Australia made a proposal to buy the Ocean which was rejected. The HMS Ocean never entered Australian service and spent its entire service life in the RN. We had to wait years before we could buy two other carriers and not the Ocean. Purely Hypothetical and a complete Australian fantasy for us to have a carrier during WW2. We couldn't build one and and we couldn't buy one off the US or UK even if we wanted to.
Having said that I'm having a wet dream about Australia getting a WW2 carrier. Hell I can't wait for our Essex class.
P.S. Since the unit cards are reference cards does this mean that Admirals won't have cards?
I see Sydney differently. She was laid down and commision during ww2, even if under a different flag.
HMAS Sydney was originally HMS Terrible and HMAS Melbourne was ex HMS Majestic. Neither of these ships are mentioned in the comments. Only HMS Ocean's being mentioned which has nothing to do with Sydney or Melbourne. So which ship is being considered? HMAS Sydney? HMS Ocean? or HMS Terrible?
Also following the same logic why haven't we given the Argentines the General Belgrano? The USS Phoenix was built before Pearl Harbor and Argentina did actually buy the Phoenix. It is Hypothetically possible that Argentina brought her during WW2. To add to that we could also give Argentina the ARA Veinticinco de Mayo for the same reasons. She's ex HMS Venerable.
Ocean is the only eligible ship but who's to say the RAN wouldnt rename.
1945, class limit is one, corsair operatio s as the only SA in line with 1945 airgroups
They didn’t rename Shropshire. But I also read somewhere that HMS Ragle was joining the RAN before she sank at Trinconlee with Vampire. But the RAN didn’t have the available crew to man her.
They couldnt reuse canberra because the USS had commissioned USS Canberra and there was an agreement not to reuse names.
You mean hermes? I coukd never find much about it.
The ocean reference ive see is that the RN, UK in general, was having manpower shortages and wanted to transfer units to the RAN because of that. The federal governments war cabinet accepted a proposal to change australian military intakes to assemble a crew for a carrier and her escorts.
At any rate, there were colossus/majestic class carriers that could have been delivered to the RAN by the end off 45. Its a what if, unique for its roundel rather than competing for differentiation with UK carriers.
I'm not opposed to another Baltimore-class named Canberra, but probably Boston or one of the earlier ones that saw more service makes more sense. I'm partial to the big American heavies.