Multi unit tonnage cut off?

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Multi unit tonnage cut off? Dec 30, 2020 18:22:31 GMT

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Post by admiralduncan on Dec 30, 2020 18:22:31 GMT

I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on at what tonnage a unit is representing multiple ships/boats. An S-Boat is about 100 tons and its unit represents multiple S-Boats. A Type 13 subchaser is 438 tons and is a single boat. what is the transition tonnage?

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Multi unit tonnage cut off? Dec 30, 2020 19:17:31 GMT

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Post by mnnorthstars on Dec 30, 2020 19:17:31 GMT

Somewhere in between. I know that’s obvious! But to me it’s more than tonnage. Look at the weapons load out. Can it stand alone and have viable stats? Would it be a better piece with double the firepower?

A second train of thought is that the double unit is just an aesthetic. Are the MTB stats for one boat or two?

Third, look at operational use. Did the ship/boat in question tend to fight in tandem, or solo?

Interesting question.

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Multi unit tonnage cut off? Dec 30, 2020 23:04:51 GMT

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Post by admiralduncan on Dec 30, 2020 23:04:51 GMT

Well indeed!

The ships I am musing on are as follows:
1) HMoNS Otra and Rauma minesweepers. 370 tons but very similar in size and armament to a Type 13, except with no ASW value. I was considering grouping these into 1 unit, but I think they stand alone.
2) ORP Jaskolka and her 5 sisters. These are a bit trickier. 183 tons, so alot closer to an S-Boat, but in physical size not much smaller than a Type 13. Again a similar armament including some ASW value, but probably only enough for a 2 value. They would stand alone.

Both would probably be 3 points as single units.

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mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,162	Multi unit tonnage cut off? Dec 31, 2020 0:34:23 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Dec 31, 2020 0:34:23 GMT If it’s got any military value at all that’s effectively the floor. Daihatsu at 2 is essentially useless.
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raevski Administrator Cooking with gas Posts: 1,569	Multi unit tonnage cut off? Dec 31, 2020 8:03:12 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by raevski on Dec 31, 2020 8:03:12 GMT In my head it was MTBs etc under 150 t each.

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mnnorthstars Deck E developer Posts: 9,162	Multi unit tonnage cut off? Dec 31, 2020 14:12:19 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mnnorthstars on Dec 31, 2020 14:12:19 GMT That’s as official of an answer as you can get.
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Multi unit tonnage cut off? Jan 29, 2021 17:21:45 GMT

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Post by admiralduncan on Jan 29, 2021 17:21:45 GMT

For the sake of my scenario (Operations Rurka/Worek, Sep 39') I have grouped two together into 1 unit. With 6 really weak units, I wouldn't be able to get all the units in that I wanted. Two don't even have the 75mm gun of the others. Just a 13.2mm MG. With a low speed, only 20 DC's, and probably little if anything in the way of detection equipment, I think even two would only justify an ASW value of 2?

Jaskolka class minesweepers
Points - 3
Auxiliary - 1939
Speed - 1
Mains - 2/1
AA - 3
ASW -2
Shallow Draft
Minesweeper

Displacement: 183 tons (lasts two 185)
Speed: 17.5 knots
Armament: 1 x 75mm, 2 x 0.5" MG, 20 mines or 20 depth charges or minesweeping gear (last two 1 x 13.2mm MG instead of 75mm)
Draft: 5 feet

The 75mm looks dual purpose from the pics I've seen.

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Multi unit tonnage cut off?

Post by admiralduncan on Dec 30, 2020 18:22:31 GMT

Post by mnnorthstars on Dec 30, 2020 19:17:31 GMT

Post by admiralduncan on Dec 30, 2020 23:04:51 GMT

Post by mnnorthstars on Dec 31, 2020 0:34:23 GMT

Post by raevski on Dec 31, 2020 8:03:12 GMT

Post by admiralduncan on Dec 31, 2020 11:25:02 GMT

Post by mnnorthstars on Dec 31, 2020 14:12:19 GMT

Post by admiralduncan on Jan 29, 2021 17:21:45 GMT

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