'Blast from the past' - RN aircraft deployment on carriers

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This was originally a two-part article which appeared on Forumini during February 2010.
For the first time it is edited into one long list and I have corrected and fact-checked.

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Examples of Fleet Air Arm aircraft deployment in WW2:

Atlantic Trade Protection in 1939:
HMS Ark Royal
800 Sqdn - 9 Skuas
803 Sqdn - 9 Skuas until end of Sept 1939
810 Sqdn - 12 Swordfish
820 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish and 1 Walrus

HMS Furious
801 Sqdn - 9 Skuas
816 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish
818 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish

HMS Courageous - sunk September 17 by U-29
811 Sqdn - 12 Swordfish
822 Sqdn - 12 Swordfish

HMS Hermes
814 Sqdn - 12 Swordfish transferred from Ark Royal on Sept 4 1939

HMS Albatross (based at Freetown from October 1939)
710 Sqdn - 6 Walruses

Indian Ocean 1939 - 1940:
HMS Eagle - China Station and East Indies until May 1940
813 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish
824 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish

HMS Glorious - Indian Ocean October 1939 to Jan 1940
802 Sqdn - 6 Sea Gladiators
812 Sqdn - 12 Swordfish
823 Sqdn - 12 Swordfish
825 Sqdn - 12 Swordfish

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1940:
Furious:
April - 816 Sqdn and 818 Sqdn each with 9 Swordfish
May - ferrying 6 Sea Gladiators and 9 Swordfish
Sept/October:
801 Sqdn - 9 Skuas
816 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish
825 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish

Glorious:
April:
802 Sqdn - 9 Sea Gladiators
803 Sqdn - 11 Skuas
804 Sqdn - 9 Sea Gladiators
June: (sunk by Scharnhorst and Gneisenau)
802 Sqdn - 9 Sea Gladiators
823 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish

Ark Royal:
April:
800 Sqdn - 9 Skuas and 2 Rocs
801 Sqdn: - 9 Skuas and 3 Rocs
819 Sqdn - 12 Swordfish
820 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish

May to June:
800 Sqdn - 12 Skuas
803 Sqdn - 11 Skuas
810 and 820 Sqdn - 21 Swordfish
701 Sqdn - 5 Walrus from June 7

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1941
Eagle May to September 1941:
813 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish
824 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish

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Hunting the Bismarck:
Victorious:
800Z Sqdn - 6 Fulmar
825 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish

Ark Royal:
807 Sqdn - 12 Fulmars
808 Sqdn - 12 Fulmars
810 Sqdn - 12 Swordfish
818 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish
820 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish

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1941 Strike on Petsamo and Kirkenes:
Victorious:
809 Sqdn - 12 Fulmars
827 Sqdn - 12 Albacores
828 Sqdn - 9 Albacores

Furious:
800 Sqdn - 9 Fulmars
880A Flight - 4 Sea Hurricanes
812 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish
817 Sqdn - 9 Albacores

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Home Fleet August 1941 to December 1942:
Victorious:
809 Sqdn - 12 Fulmars
802B Flight - 2 Martlet IIIs (september 1941 only)
817 Sqdn - 9 Albacores
832 Sqdn - 12 Albacores
820 Sqdn - 12 Albacores in place of 832 Sqdn Nov 41 to Feb 42

Argus:
ferrying 2 Martlet IIIs of 802B Flight August and September 41

Avenger:
802 Sqdn - 6 Sea Hurricanes
883 Sqdn - 6 Sea Hurricanes
825 Flight - 3 Swordfish
6 spare Sea Hurricanes also embarked (probably crated)

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Force H and Harpoon Convoy - 1942
HMS Eagle from March 1942:
813 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish and 4 Sea Hurricanes
824 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish (not for Harpoon)
801 Sqdn - 12 Sea Hurricanes (Harpoon only)

HMS Argus:
807 Sqdn - 4 Fulmars
824 Sqdn - 4 Swordfish (detachment)

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Operation Pedestal - August 1942
HMS Victorious:
809 Sqdn - 12 Fulmars
884 Sqdn - 6 Fulmars
885 Sqdn - 6 Sea Hurricanes
817 Sqdn - 2 Albacores (9 detached)
832 Sqdn - 12 Albacores

HMS Indomitable - bombed and damaged August 12, 1942
800 Sqdn - 12 Sea Hurricanes
806 Sqdn - 6 Martlet IIs
880 Sqdn - 12 Sea Hurricanes
827 Sqdn - 12 Albacores
831 Sqdn - 12 Albacores

HMS Eagle - sunk by U-73 August 11, 1942
801 Sqdn - 12 Sea Hurricanes with 4 more in reserve
813 Sqdn - 4 Sea Hurricanes

HMS Furious:
ferry and fly-off 38 Spitfires to Malta
822 Sqdn - 4 Albacores (detachment)

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Operation Torch - invasion of North Africa November 1942
HMS Formidable:
885 Sqdn - 6 Seafire IIC
888 Sqdn - 12 Martlet II
893 Sqdn - 12 Martlet IV
820 Sqdn - 12 Albacores

HMS Victorious:
809 Sqdn - 6 Fulmar FII
882 Sqdn - 12 Martlet IV
884 Sqdn - 6 Seafire IIC
817 Sqdn - 9 Albacores
832 Sqdn - 9 Albacores (B Flight disembarked)

HMS Furious:
801 Sqdn - 12 Seafire IB
807 Sqdn - 12 Seafire IIC
882 Sqdn - 8 Albacores (C Flight disembarked) + 1 Fulmar FRII

HMS Biter:
800 Sqdn - 15 Sea Hurricanes IIB & IIC
833A Flight - 3 Swordfish disembarked at Gibraltar and returned in HMS Argus.

HMS Dasher:
804 Sqdn - 6 Sea Hurricane IIC
891 Sqdn - 6 Sea Hurricane IIB

HMS Argus:
880 Sqdn - 18 Seafire IIC

HMS Avenger:
802 Sqdn - 9 Sea Hurricane IIC
883 Sqdn - 6 Sea Hurricane IIC
833B Flight - 3 Swordfish disembarked at Gibraltar

USN forces:
USS Sangamon:
VGF-26 - 12 Wildcats
VGS-26 - 9 Avengers and 9 Dauntlesses

USS Chenango:
ferrying 76 or 77 USAAF P-40F Warhawks
These were flown off on November 10 to Port Lyautey, French Morocco.

USS Ranger:
VF-9 - 27 Wildcats
VF-41 - 27 Wildcats
VS-41 - 18 Dauntlesses
Commander Air Group - 1 Avenger

USS Suwanee:
VGF-27 - 11 Wildcats
VGF-28 - 12 Wildcats (lent from USS Chenango)
VGS-30 - 6 Wildcats (Fighter Flight from Charger)
VGS-27 - 9 Avengers

USS Santee:
VGF-29 - 14 Wildcats
VGS-29 - 8 Avengers and 9 Dauntlesses

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Home Fleet 1943
Furious from end of Feb 43:
801 Sqdn - 9 Seafires
822 Sqdn - 9 Albacores to end of June 43
825 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish + 6 Sea Hurricanes from July 1943
881 Sqdn - 6 Martlet IV July 1943 only
827 Sqdn - 12 Barracudas from October 1943 onwards
830 Sqdn - 9 Barracudas from October 1943 onwards

Dasher - lost in accidental explosion March 27, 1943
891 Sqdn - 6 Sea Hurricane IIB
816 Sqdn - 6 Swordfish
837 Sqdn - 6 Swordfish

Illustrious - July 43 only
878 Sqdn - 12 Martlet IV
809 Sqdn - 12 Martlet IV
894 Sqdn - 10 Seafire IIC
819 Sqdn - 12 Barracuda II

Unicorn - July 43 onwards
887 Sqdn - 10 Seafires
818 Sqdn - 4 Swordfish
824 Sqdn - 9 Swordfish

USS Ranger September and October 1943
VT-41 - 27 Wildcat F4F-4
VF-41 - 27 Dauntless SBD-5
VT-41 18 Avenger TBF-1

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Operation Tungsten (strike on Tirpitz)
April 3 1944

Victorious:
1834 Sqdn - 14 Corsair II
1836 Sqdn - 14 Corsair II
827 Sqdn - 9 Barracuda II
829 Sqdn - 12 Barracuda II

Furious:
801 Sqdn - 6 Seafire IB
880 Sqdn - 8 Seafire LIIC
830 Sqdn - 9 Barracuda II
831 Sqdn - 9 Barracuda II

Emperor:
800 Sqdn - 10 Hellcats
804 Sqdn - 10 Hellcats

Pursuer:
881 Sqdn - 10 Wildcat V
896 Sqdn - 10 Wildcat V

Searcher:
882 Sqdn - 10 Wildcat V
898 Sqdn - 10 Wildcat V

Fencer (as anti-submarine CVE):
842 Sqdn - 12 Swordfish II annd 8 Wildcat V

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Some examples of late war Fleet Air Arm Operations in the Far East:

Palembang Strikes - Operation Meridean
Pladjoe 24 Jan 1945 and Soengi Gerong 29 Jan 1945
HMS Indomitable:
1839 Sqdn - 15 Hellcat I
1844 Sqdn - 14 Hellcat I
857 Sqdn - 21 Avenger II

HMS Illustrious:
1830 Sqdn - 16 Corsair II
1833 Sqdn - 16 Corsair II
854 Sqdn - 21 Avenger I & II

HMS Victorious:
1834 Sqdn - 18 Corsair II
1836 Sqdn - 16 Corsair II
849 Sqdn - 21 Avenger II
Ship's flight - 2 Walrus Air Sea Rescue (ASR) detachment

HMS Indefatigable:
887 Sqdn - 24 Seafire FIII
894 Sqdn - 16 Seafire LIII
1770 Sqdn - 12 Firefly I
820 Sqdn - 21 Avenger II

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'Operation Dracula' - Rangoon and Tenasserim Coast Strikes
April 30 to May 6 1945
HMS Emperor:
800 Sqdn - 24 Hellcat II

HMS Khedive:
808 Sqdn - 20 Hellcat II
1700 Sqdn - 1 Walrus ASR detachment

HMS Hunter:
807 Sqdn - 24 Seafire LIII + 1 Seafire FRIII

HMS Stalker:
809 Sqdn - 24 Seafire LIII and FRIII

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'Operation Bishop' - strikes on Nicobar and Andaman Islands and Burma coast
April 30 to May 7 1945
HMS Empress:
804 Sqdn - 20 Hellcat II
1700 Sqdn - 1 Walrus (ASR?)

HMS Shah:
804 Flight - 4 Hellcat II
851 Sqdn - 10 Avenger I
809 Sqdn - 5 Seafire LIII (spares for HMS Stalker)

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Japanese home island strikes
July 17 to August 15 1945

HMS Formidable:
1841 Sqdn - 18 Corsair IV
1842 Sqdn - 18 Corsair IV
1844 Sqdn - 4 Hellcat II & 2 Hellcat PR II (photo-recce)
848 Sqdn - 12 Avenger II

HMS Victorious:
1834 Sqdn - 19 Corsair II & IV
1836 Sqdn - 18 Corsair II & IV
849 Sqdn - 16 Avenger II
Ship's flight - 2 Walrus ASR

HMS Implacable:
801 Sqdn - 24 Seafire LIII
880 Sqdn - 24 Seafire LIII & FRIII
1771 Sqdn - 12 Firefly I
828 Sqdn - 21 Avenger II

HMS Indefatigable:
887 Sqdn - 15 Seafire FIII + 9 Seafire LIII
894 Sqdn - 16 Seafire LIII
1772 Sqdn - 12 Firefly I
820 Sqdn - 21 Avenger II

Fleet Train for the above:
HMS Ruler
885 Sqdn - 18 Hellcat II & 4 Avenger II

+ HMS Striker, HMS Chaser, HMS Speaker and HMS Arbiter as replenishment CVEs
EACH carrying a standard load of 9 Seafires, 7 Avengers, 6 Corsairs, 1 Hellcat, 1 Firefly

Note the high attrition rate expected for the Seafires compared with other types. The type had a narrow-track undercarriage and was noted for being more fragile than the Sea Hurricane or Fulmar which both had a broad track undercarriage.

HMS Ruler appears to be the CAP escort for the fleet train of spare aircraft.

HMS Unicorn and HMS Pioneer are repair carriers at Manus.

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stealth7 Forumini Ensign Posts: 201	'Blast from the past' - RN aircraft deployment on carriers Jun 4, 2020 23:48:50 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by stealth7 on Jun 4, 2020 23:48:50 GMT Nice info, appreciated!

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'Blast from the past' - RN aircraft deployment on carriers Jun 5, 2020 10:31:19 GMT

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Jun 5, 2020 1:34:11 GMT weedsrock2 said:

Skuas, Fulmars, Sea Gladiators, Swordfish, Albacores. It's amazing any FAA pilots survived!

Compared to 1945, maybe, but remember that these aircraft were modern or state-of-the-art in 1939 - 1941. A lot changed in a few years and most of these advances (such as airborne radar - see below) became possible because of these aircraft.

The Blackburn Skua scored - arguably - the UK's first air-to-air kill of WW2. French sources have since said that an RAF Fairey Battle in France may have beaten it to that honour by six days. The Skua also sank the first warship ever by dive-bombing - the cruiser KM Konigsburg at Bergen in Norway. Several pilots became aces flying the Skua including the man who led the Konigsburg raid, Lt Cmdr William Lucy.

The Fulmar was a partial replacement for the Skua and Sea Gladiator - it had an eight-gun armament and an observer/navigator. In its roles as a destroyer of enemy patrol aircraft and as a recon/spotter it was excellent. Remember that Fulmars were used to locate the Bismarck in the Atlantic and shoot down Condors. It had a range of nearly 800 miles. With advanced radars it also became a night-fighter (probably the fleet's first) and some of these night fighters carried 4 x .50 calibre Brownings instead of 8 x .303 light machine guns.

The Sea Gladiator was the type which defended Malta from dusty airstrips while Gladiators of both types scored heavily. Many Fleet Air Arm and RAF pilots opened their score sheet on the Gladiator including the unofficial top-scorer Pat Pattle (15+ kills on the Gladiator).

The Swordfish... was superb. It was still flying after its replacement, the Fairey Albacore, was retired. It crippled the Bismarck, crippled the Italian battle fleet at Taranto, one Swordfish once laid 12 mines in a 24-hour period while another torpedoed and sank a ship on a 10-hour round trip flying alone. Another managed the 'double' of sinking an Italian merchant ship on a covert sabotage mission AND the submarine tied up alongside - with one torpedo.

ww2today.com/23rd-august-1940-four-ships-for-three-torpedoes-in-bomba

A Swordfish floatplane from HMS Warspite achieved the world's most cost-effective air sortie ever by flying off from HMS Warspite at the Second Battle of Narvik heavily over-loaded. It first located all the German destroyers located in the side fiords and radioed the information back to the oncoming Warspite. Each destroyer was destroyed. It next located and sank U-boat U-64 using the then unreliable A/S bombs. It was the first U-boat sunk by the FAA. It next unloaded anti-personnel bombs across a crowded German parade ground and dropped H.E. bombs on buildings. Hit by light flak - and with its rudder in shreds - it then orbited the battle taking photographs which still exist of the end of the battle and torpedoes aimed at HMS Eskimo.

The Swordfish also carried the first naval airborne radars and operated out of Gibraltar - at night - hunting surfaced U-boats. Together with daylight rocket and depth charge attacks Swordfish eventually claimed 18 German U-boats on all fronts.

The late great pilot and author Eric 'Winkle' Brown rated the Swordfish the greatest torpedo-carrying aircraft ever, beating the Avenger in his expert opinion. He noted, however, that it worked best without enemy fighter opposition or at night. There were Swordfish over the D-Day beaches and they were still flying at the end of the war, mostly off of CVEs where their STOL flying characteristics made them ideal for hunting U-boats with rockets or depth charges.

The Fairey Albacore was the Swordfish's replacement. Slightly faster and with an enclosed cockpit, it was actually taken out of service BEFORE the Swordfish. The only thing in its favour (for the Canadians) was the enclosed cockpit as it gets very cold in the Canadian winter.

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Jun 5, 2020 10:31:19 GMT warspite1 said:

Jun 5, 2020 1:34:11 GMT weedsrock2 said:

Skuas, Fulmars, Sea Gladiators, Swordfish, Albacores. It's amazing any FAA pilots survived!

Compared to 1945, maybe, but remember that these aircraft were modern or state-of-the-art in 1939 - 1941. A lot changed in a few years and most of these advances (such as airborne radar - see below) became possible because of these aircraft.

The Blackburn Skua scored - arguably - the UK's first air-to-air kill of WW2. French sources have since said that an RAF Fairey Battle in France may have beaten it to that honour by six days. The Skua also sank the first warship ever by dive-bombing - the cruiser KM Konigsburg at Bergen in Norway. Several pilots became aces flying the Skua including the man who led the Konigsburg raid, Lt Cmdr William Lucy.

The Fulmar was a partial replacement for the Skua and Sea Gladiator - it had an eight-gun armament and an observer/navigator. In its roles as a destroyer of enemy patrol aircraft and as a recon/spotter it was excellent. Remember that Fulmars were used to locate the Bismarck in the Atlantic and shoot down Condors. It had a range of nearly 800 miles. With advanced radars it also became a night-fighter (probably the fleet's first) and some of these night fighters carried 4 x .50 calibre Brownings instead of 8 x .303 light machine guns.

The Sea Gladiator was the type which defended Malta from dusty airstrips while Gladiators of both types scored heavily. Many Fleet Air Arm and RAF pilots opened their score sheet on the Gladiator including the unofficial top-scorer Pat Pattle (15+ kills on the Gladiator).

The Swordfish... was superb. It was still flying after its replacement, the Fairey Albacore, was retired. It crippled the Bismarck, crippled the Italian battle fleet at Taranto, one Swordfish once laid 12 mines in a 24-hour period while another torpedoed and sank a ship on a 10-hour round trip flying alone. Another managed the 'double' of sinking an Italian merchant ship on a covert sabotage mission AND the submarine tied up alongside - with one torpedo.

ww2today.com/23rd-august-1940-four-ships-for-three-torpedoes-in-bomba

A Swordfish floatplane from HMS Warspite achieved the world's most cost-effective air sortie ever by flying off from HMS Warspite at the Second Battle of Narvik heavily over-loaded. It first located all the German destroyers located in the side fiords and radioed the information back to the oncoming Warspite. Each destroyer was destroyed. It next located and sank U-boat U-64 using the then unreliable A/S bombs. It was the first U-boat sunk by the FAA. It next unloaded anti-personnel bombs across a crowded German parade ground and dropped H.E. bombs on buildings. Hit by light flak - and with its rudder in shreds - it then orbited the battle taking photographs which still exist of the end of the battle and torpedoes aimed at HMS Eskimo.

The Swordfish also carried the first naval airborne radars and operated out of Gibraltar - at night - hunting surfaced U-boats. Together with daylight rocket and depth charge attacks Swordfish eventually claimed 18 German U-boats on all fronts.

The late great pilot and author Eric 'Winkle' Brown rated the Swordfish the greatest torpedo-carrying aircraft ever, beating the Avenger in his expert opinion. He noted, however, that it worked best without enemy fighter opposition or at night. There were Swordfish over the D-Day beaches and they were still flying at the end of the war, mostly off of CVEs where their STOL flying characteristics made them ideal for hunting U-boats with rockets or depth charges.

The Fairey Albacore was the Swordfish's replacement. Slightly faster and with an enclosed cockpit, it was actually taken out of service BEFORE the Swordfish. The only thing in its favour (for the Canadians) was the enclosed cockpit as it gets very cold in the Canadian winter.

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A spirited defense! But I would prefer to fly in an Avenger over a String-bag any day. (At least in combat. Otherwise I would love to fly in either.)

I think the Albacore gets a bad rap actually. It was just too little improvement too late. As you said, the Swordfish got a second life as an ASW aircraft flying off escort carriers where there was no aerial opposition. It was a reasonable fit.

Two seater fighters? No. I think the RN was wrong on that score. The inclusion of a navigator/spotter in a fighter aircraft was a poor trade-off in weight and maneuverability from most of what I have read.

I love the Gladiator, but I would much rather be in a Bf 109 in 1939. They were lucky to be mostly fighting Cr. 42's around Malta.

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'Blast from the past' - RN aircraft deployment on carriers Jun 6, 2020 9:44:37 GMT

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The Fairey Fulmar had to have two seats for its role. It was never intended as a pure fighter but as a recon aircraft and Condor destroyer.
Few naval fighters except the Zero could match land-based aircraft and that was not the Fulmar's role. It did the job it was designed for and also had the add-on role as night fighter.

Albacore? Yes I agree.

The Gladiators were up against far more than just CR42s, both over Malta, Greece and the North African desert. 109 E and F plus the Italian monoplane fighters. Obsolescent but it was all that was available - at the time.

The Swordfish? Obsolescent but most effective where it counted. Had they been used in the Indian Ocean in 1942, where HMS Hermes was sunk, they would have flown strikes at night.
Flying against the Kriegsmarine and against the Italians, Swordfish were devastatingly effective. I need only say 'Taranto'.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Taranto

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Taranto#/media/File:Littorio-11-November-1940.svg

and the result of Taranto was...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Taranto#Influence_on_Pearl_Harbor

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