MINEFIELD QUESTION

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MINEFIELD QUESTION Oct 19, 2019 13:10:49 GMT

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Post by triggermike on Oct 19, 2019 13:10:49 GMT

Hey guys, another newbee question for you

The following excerpt is take from the "special abilities errata FAQ"

Q: This still isn't clear to me. If my unit stays in a hex containing a minefield, do I need to roll for it on future movement and assault phases even if I didn't move?
A: Yes. The 11/12/09 clarification document says; "Whenever a unit enters a hex containing this Obstacle, or ends its movement phase or assault phase in a hex containing this Obstacle, the unit's controller rolls a die. On a 3 or less, put a face-up Disrupted counter on that unit."

So lets play this out,

In turn 1 a Matilda enters a minefield in a movement phase and is disrupted immediately. In the following assault phase the Matilda can't move because the disrupted marker is still in play. Casualty phase, the disrupted marker stays in effect and is not removed. Turn 2, the Matilda is disrupted and cannot move, but per the Q&A above, is still subjected to a minefield roll. Lets say it fails (or succeeds depending on who you are) and receives another disrupted marker in the turn 2 movement phase. So now the Matilda has 2 turned up disrupted counters? Or should the first disrupted marker been removed at the end of turn 1?

Also, reading the question, " do I need to roll for it on future movement and assault phases even if I didn't move?" and with answer of yes, is there a minefield roll in every phase? Something seems haywire to me here. It appears that once something is disrupted, there is little chance to escape a minefield.

Can someone please clear this up for me.

Let me add to this turn 1 situation for a bit. Turn 1 Matilda is disrupted in movement phase and receives one hit. In turn 1 assault phase, Matilda receives 2 hits from Panzer, Matilda is destroyed, correct?

Also, if a German DAK enters the minefield hex to attempt a close assault, he would also be subjected to a minefield roll, correct?

Thanks

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MINEFIELD QUESTION Oct 19, 2019 14:31:03 GMT

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Post by co1191 on Oct 19, 2019 14:31:03 GMT

My non-expert two cents:

If your Matilda is disrupted during the movement phase due to the minefield, I believe that face up counter is removed in the casualty phase at the end of the first turn. This clears up the problem for turn 2. The wording of that errata is wonky, I think. I would say that the intent is that once your Matilda is disrupted in the movement phase, the minefield has had its effect for the turn and you would not have to roll for the assault phase. I think they were trying to make the obstacle effective during any phase, but that bit is confusing. Ultimately, mines can’t destroy a unit or do anything to them more than disrupt, so even following the logic of the errata, the two face up counters wouldn’t matter/don’t stack. I hope that bit made sense.

As for the hits from the panzer: If your Matilda has only a face-up disruption counter on it, it is suffering the effects of disruption but it actually has no hits on it. Face down counters are hits, face up are status effects. It took me forever to get this. So if the Matilda receives two hits, it is only damaged. If the disruption counter had been face down, then two hits would destroy it.

And yes, the DAK would be subject to the minefield effect.

I hope this helps! Sometimes it’s easier to show than describe in text. If you ever find yourself in mid-Missouri, look me up.

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MINEFIELD QUESTION Oct 19, 2019 14:35:47 GMT

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Post by ober on Oct 19, 2019 14:35:47 GMT

I wish I could but it appears we never noticed that clarification either. We play it such that you don't get an auto disruption in the combat phase.

I will make a stab at the matilda question

1. Turn 1 - The matilda receives a face up disruption from the minefield (treat this like any face up disrupted tank that enters the turn disrupted)
2. Turn 1 - the matilda is -1 to defence and receives a face down disruption and damage from two hits from the panzer.

I think the matilda is damaged and disrupted in turn two because the face up minefield disruption doesn't work with the face down 2 hits from the panzer. The minefiels disruption is removed in the casualty phase before the 2 panzer hits are counted. So damage is the worst you can incur.

Any other care to comment?

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MINEFIELD QUESTION Oct 19, 2019 15:32:34 GMT

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Post by triggermike on Oct 19, 2019 15:32:34 GMT

So if the Matilda is only disrupted in the movement phase, and not attacked in the assault phase in turn 1. It will free to move out of the minefield in turn 2, un-disrupted without a minefield role upon exiting, correct?

So basically a minefield is a minor irritant unless it is followed up by an assault.

Thanks for clearing the assault on the disrupted Matilda, that makes sense. I thought for a moment that it may be considered a simultaneous event.

Thanks for the help guys.

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curtm1911 Forumini Captain 1000 posts, Captain, cool. Thanks Forumini! Posts: 1,612	MINEFIELD QUESTION Oct 19, 2019 17:33:40 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by curtm1911 on Oct 19, 2019 17:33:40 GMT If I understand all this correctly, entering or ending movement into a minefield has effects, but exiting has no effect. Am I understanding this correctly? Thanks for clarification in advance.

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MINEFIELD QUESTION Oct 19, 2019 18:02:24 GMT

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Post by ober on Oct 19, 2019 18:02:24 GMT

Oct 19, 2019 15:32:34 GMT triggermike said:

So if the Matilda is only disrupted in the movement phase, and not attacked in the assault phase in turn 1. It will free to move out of the minefield in turn 2, un-disrupted without a minefield role upon exiting, correct?

So basically a minefield is a minor irritant unless it is followed up by an assault.

Yes, that is how I see it but you must roll to exit.

Last Edit: Oct 19, 2019 18:04:15 GMT by ober

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MINEFIELD QUESTION Oct 19, 2019 18:03:41 GMT

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Post by ober on Oct 19, 2019 18:03:41 GMT

Oct 19, 2019 17:33:40 GMT curtm1911 said:

If I understand all this correctly, entering or ending movement into a minefield has effects, but exiting has no effect. Am I understanding this correctly?
Thanks for clarification in advance.

You also have to roll to exit

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curtm1911 Forumini Captain 1000 posts, Captain, cool. Thanks Forumini! Posts: 1,612	MINEFIELD QUESTION Oct 19, 2019 19:35:18 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by curtm1911 on Oct 19, 2019 19:35:18 GMT Thanks Ober. That does make more sense since the mines are still active whether you are entering or exiting the hex.

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MINEFIELD QUESTION

Post by triggermike on Oct 19, 2019 13:10:49 GMT

Post by co1191 on Oct 19, 2019 14:31:03 GMT

Post by ober on Oct 19, 2019 14:35:47 GMT

Post by triggermike on Oct 19, 2019 15:32:34 GMT

Post by curtm1911 on Oct 19, 2019 17:33:40 GMT

Post by ober on Oct 19, 2019 18:02:24 GMT

Post by ober on Oct 19, 2019 18:03:41 GMT

Post by curtm1911 on Oct 19, 2019 19:35:18 GMT

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