Spanish Battleship Espana **DONE**

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Spanish Battleship Espana **DONE** Jun 15, 2020 23:40:41 GMT

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Consolidating to make the card.

Espana
Class: Espana Class Battleship (Nationalist)
Commissioned: August 1915 (As Alfonse XIII, Renamed 1931)
Fate: Sunk by Mine April 1937
Displacement: 15,700 tons standard
Length(OA): 460 ft
Beam: 79 ft
Speed: 19.5 Knots
Armament: 8 x 305mm (12in)/50 cal. guns, 20 x 102mm (4in) guns, 4 x 3 pounder guns, 2 x MG

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Espana (Nationalist)
Speed: 1
Year: 1939
Flag: 1
Cost: 19
Mains: 11 10 9 8
2nds 6 5 4
AA 4
Armour 6 10 3
Speed 1

Early Deployment - This unit may deploy in any sector on your side of the map. You may deploy one cruiser or destroyer in this unit's sector. Each unit deployed this way can't claim an objective on turn 1 or 2.
Raider - This unit rolls one extra attack die when making Gunnery attacks against Destroyers and Auxiliary units.

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The three España -class battleships were the smallest dreadnoughts ever built. The second ship, Alfonso XIII was renamed España following the loss by grounding of the lead ship. During the Spanish Civil War España was seized by the Nationalist forces while the remaining ship, Jamie I, served the Republican government. España was used to enforce a blockade in northern Spain while Jaime I was deployed to break it. Neither survived the war; España struck a mine and Jamie I suffered an accidental explosion.

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Last Edit: Jun 23, 2020 4:38:33 GMT by weedsrock2

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Spanish Battleship Espana **DONE** Jun 23, 2020 4:57:55 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 23, 2020 4:57:55 GMT

Guys, while working on the card I discovered on Wikipedia that Espana's armament was changed by 1937.

One of her waist main turrets was not working. (Only two were working when the Civil War broke out, but they got the port turret working later).

She only had 12 of her 4 in guns remaining on the ship. And the 3 pdr and MGs had been removed and used for shore defenses. During a refit in the Civil War they added 4 x 88 mm (3.5 in) German AA guns, and 2 x 20 mm AA.

So her armament (at best) during the Civil war was actually

6 x 12 in (3 x 2), 12 x 4 in (12 x 1), 4 x 3.5 in AA (4 x 1), and 2 x 20 mm AA (2 x 1)

This changes her gunnery considerably. However, the mains still look okay to me. There is considerable latitude in that range in the stat guidelines.

Secondaries should be dropped to 5/5/4 (at best since they were actually 6 hull mounted guns on each side)

AA is still correct at 4 according to the stat guidelines.

So I think the only line that really needs changing is the secondaries from 6/5/4 to 5/5/4

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weedsrock2 Administrator Posts: 5,199	Spanish Battleship Espana DONE Jun 23, 2020 5:00:45 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 23, 2020 5:00:45 GMT Is it okay if I make the change to the secondary attack line? I don't think it affects anything else like cost. It is a very small correction.
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brigman Forumini Admiral Posts: 14,196	Spanish Battleship Espana DONE Jun 23, 2020 5:08:33 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by brigman on Jun 23, 2020 5:08:33 GMT It's a -1 die drop at r0. Not a huge deal to me. If the mains or AA changed, then maybe cost would need to...

au64 Deck E playtester Posts: 1,847	Spanish Battleship Espana DONE Jun 23, 2020 15:28:17 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by au64 on Jun 23, 2020 15:28:17 GMT I agree with Brigman, a -1 2nds at range 0 shouldn't affect the price or the gameplay of the unit.
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ticat1 Moderator "Ready, Aye, Ready" Posts: 1,363	Spanish Battleship Espana DONE Jun 23, 2020 17:47:06 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ticat1 on Jun 23, 2020 17:47:06 GMT Nope, make the change and gtg
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raevski Administrator Cooking with gas Posts: 1,615	Spanish Battleship Espana DONE Jun 23, 2020 20:46:32 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by raevski on Jun 23, 2020 20:46:32 GMT I am fine with it

weedsrock2 Administrator Posts: 5,199	Spanish Battleship Espana DONE Jun 24, 2020 0:15:17 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 24, 2020 0:15:17 GMT Thanks for the quick response guys!
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Spanish Battleship Espana **DONE** Jun 24, 2020 0:17:01 GMT

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Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 24, 2020 0:17:01 GMT

Revised consolidation.

Consolidating to make the card.

Espana
Class: Espana Class Battleship (Nationalist)
Commissioned: August 1915 (As Alfonse XIII, Renamed 1931)
Fate: Sunk by Mine April 1937
Displacement: 15,700 tons standard
Length(OA): 460 ft
Beam: 79 ft
Speed: 19.5 Knots
Armament: 6 x 12 in (3 x 2), 12 x 4 in (12 x 1), 4 x 3.5 in AA (4 x 1), and 2 x 20 mm AA (2 x 1)

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Espana (Nationalist)
Speed: 1
Year: 1939
Flag: 1
Cost: 19
Mains: 11 10 9 8
2nds 5 5 4
AA 4
Armour 6 10 3
Speed 1

Early Deployment - This unit may deploy in any sector on your side of the map. You may deploy one cruiser or destroyer in this unit's sector. Each unit deployed this way can't claim an objective on turn 1 or 2.
Raider - This unit rolls one extra attack die when making Gunnery attacks against Destroyers and Auxiliary units.

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The three España -class battleships were the smallest dreadnoughts ever built. The second ship, Alfonso XIII was renamed España following the loss by grounding of the lead ship. During the Spanish Civil War España was seized by the Nationalist forces while the remaining ship, Jamie I, served the Republican government. España was used to enforce a blockade in northern Spain while Jaime I was deployed to break it. Neither survived the war; España struck a mine and Jamie I suffered an accidental explosion.

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weedsrock2 Administrator Posts: 5,199	Spanish Battleship Espana DONE Jun 24, 2020 2:01:34 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by weedsrock2 on Jun 24, 2020 2:01:34 GMT Please review carefully
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Syzmo Deck E developer Posts: 400	Spanish Battleship Espana DONE Jun 24, 2020 10:15:46 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Syzmo on Jun 24, 2020 10:15:46 GMT People are going to assume the 6x12 armament is a typo. Is there room for an extra sentence explaining it in the description?

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Spanish Battleship Espana **DONE** Jun 24, 2020 20:26:49 GMT via mobile

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Jun 24, 2020 10:15:46 GMT Syzmo said:

People are going to assume the 6x12 armament is a typo. Is there room for an extra sentence explaining it in the description?

It is a typo..... it’s 4x2 with a broadside of 3x2.

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Spanish Battleship Espana **DONE** Jun 24, 2020 23:58:46 GMT

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Jun 24, 2020 20:26:49 GMT raevski said:

Jun 24, 2020 10:15:46 GMT Syzmo said:

People are going to assume the 6x12 armament is a typo. Is there room for an extra sentence explaining it in the description?

It is a typo..... it’s 4x2 with a broadside of 3x2.

It's not that either. One of the turrets was non-functional. In fact, only two of the turrets were functional at the start of the civil war. They managed to get the port side turret working a few months later. This ship was basically a derelict when the war started with much of its armament removed. It was barely functional. I will add something to the flavor text.

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