(KM) Der Fuhrer - 31.5 inch guns, although it never existed in the physical world, it did exist in research at the time and was looked at as a potential project for a period of time, had resources/alliances been allocated differently during that period i firmly think this unit would have existed. Not many might agree but i think it would be a cool scenario to play out and can think of many ways of doing so.
HMS Iron Duke
Heavy Atlantic Wall
Vladimir Lenin-soviet carrier
Izmail
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Italia
HMS centurion
Last Edit: Apr 20, 2018 19:52:48 GMT by ironblaster
How about USN Blimps for Anti-Submarine Warfare etc etc etc
The K-ships were used for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) duties in the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans as well as the Mediterranean Sea.[2] All equipment was carried in a forty foot long control car. The installed communications and instrumentation equipment allowed night flying. The blimps were equipped with the ASG-type radar, that had a detection range of 90 mi (140 km), sonobuoys, and magnetic anomaly detection (MAD) equipment. The K-ships carried four Mk-47 depth bombs, two in a bomb bay and two externally, and were equipped with a .50 in (12.7 mm) Browning machine gun in the forward part of the control car. An aircrew of 10 normally operated the K-ships, consisting of a command pilot, two co-pilots, a navigator/pilot, airship rigger, an ordnanceman, two mechanics, and two radiomen.
On 1 June 1944, two K-class blimps of United States Navy (USN) Airship Patrol Squadron 14 (ZP-14)[3] completed the first transatlantic crossing by non-rigid airships.[4] K-123 and K-130 left South Weymouth, MA on 28 May 1944 and flew approximately 16 hours to Naval Station Argentia, Newfoundland. From Argentia, the blimps flew approximately 22 hours to Lajes Field on Terceira Island in the Azores. The final leg of the first transatlantic crossing was about a 20-hour flight from the Azores to Craw Field in Port Lyautey (Kenitra), French Morocco. The first pair of K-ships were followed by K-109 & K-134 and K-112 & K-101 which left South Weymouth on 11 and 27 June 1944, respectively. These six blimps initially conducted nighttime anti-submarine warfare operations to complement the daytime missions flown by FAW-15 aircraft (PBYs and B-24s) using magnetic anomaly detection to locate U-boats in the relatively shallow waters around the Straits of Gibraltar. Later, ZP-14 K-ships conducted minespotting and minesweeping operations in key Mediterranean ports and various escort missions including that of the convoy carrying Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill to the Yalta Conference in early 1945. In late April 1945, K-89 and K-114 left Weeksville NAS in North Carolina and flew a southern transatlantic route to NAS Bermuda, the Azores, and Port Lyautey where they arrived on 1 May 1945 as replacements for Blimp Squadron ZP-14.[5]
The ability of the K-ships to hover and operate at low altitudes and slow speeds resulted in detection of numerous enemy submarines as well as assisting in search and rescue missions. The K-ships had an endurance capability of over 24 hours which was an important factor in the employment of ASW tactics.
Or how about the USS Bogue
USS Bogue (CVE-9) was the lead ship in the Bogue class of escort carriers in the United States Navy during World War II. She was originally classified AVG-9, but was changed to ACV-9, 20 August 1942; CVE-9, 15 July 1943; and CVHP-9, 12 June 1955. Aircraft operating from Bogue sank eleven German and two Japanese submarines, making her the most successful anti-submarine carrier in World War II.
Service history
After an extensive shakedown and repair period Bogue joined the Atlantic Fleet in February 1943 as the nucleus of the pioneer American anti-submarine hunter-killer group. During March and April 1943 she made three North Atlantic crossings but sank no submarines. She departed on her fourth crossing on 22 April and claimed her first submarine on 22 May when her aircraft sank the German submarine U-569 at 50°40′N 35°21′W.
During her fifth North Atlantic cruise her planes sank two German submarines: U-217 at 30°18′N 42°50′W on 5 June and U-118 at 30°49′N33°49′W on 12 June.
On 23 July 1943, during her seventh patrol, her planes sank U-527 at 35°25′N 27°56′W. The destroyer George E. Badger, of her screen, sank U-613 during this patrol.
Bogue's eighth patrol was her most productive with three German submarines sunk. U-86 was sunk by her planes on 29 November 1943 at 39°33′N 19°01′W. On 30 November, Grumman TBF Avengers from Bogue damaged U-238 east of the Azores.[3] On 13 December U-172 was sunk by her planes, with the aid of destroyers George E. Badger, Du Pont, Clemson and Osmond Ingram at 26°19′N 29°58′W. And on 20 December U-850 was sunk by planes at 32°54′N 37°01′W.
Bogue had a break from her anti-submarine operations during January and February 1944 when she carried a cargo of United States Army fighter aircraft to Glasgow, Scotland. The carrier then returned to her anti-submarine role and on 13 March her aircraft teamed with British planes, Haverfield, Hobson and the RCN River-class frigate Prince Rupert to sink U-575 at 46°18′N 27°34′W.
On 5 May 1944, Bogue and her escorts departed Hampton Roads, Virginia, for a cruise that netted two more submarines and lasted until 2 July. Francis M. Robinson, of the screen, sank the Japanese RO-501 (ex-German U-1224) on 13 May and Bogue's aircraft sank the Japanese submarine I-52 at 15°16′N 39°55′W on 24 June. During the next cruise, from 24 July to 24 September 1944, Bogue's planes sank another German submarine, U-1229, on 20 August at 42°20′N 51°39′W.
Following her return in September 1944, Bogue operated on training missions out of Bermuda and Quonset Point, Rhode Island, until February 1945 when she made a trip to Liverpool, England, with Army planes. In April 1945, she put to sea again as an anti-submarine vessel, forming part of Captain George J. Dufek's Second Barrier Force during Operation Teardrop. On 24 April, success came as Flaherty, Neunzer, Chatelain, Varian, Hubbard, Janssen, Pillsbury and Keith sank U-546. This was the last of 13 submarines sunk by Bogue or her escorts.
Last Edit: Apr 27, 2018 23:54:07 GMT by oscsusnret
Their ship their coffin The cruel dark sea their grave.
(KM) Der Fuhrer - 31.5 inch guns, although it never existed in the physical world, it did exist in research at the time and was looked at as a potential project for a period of time, had resources/alliances been allocated differently during that period i firmly think this unit would have existed. Not many might agree but i think it would be a cool scenario to play out and can think of many ways of doing so.
HMS Iron Duke
Heavy Atlantic Wall
Vladimir Lenin-soviet carrier
Izmail
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Italia
HMS centurion
You mean this one? That made H-44 a blue sky project?
This is a 700,000 ton German battleship built to carry a battery of eight 80 cm/31.5 guns, the siege gun Gustav. This is strictly a flight of fancy taken from remarks made by Hitler that he wanted to mount 80 cm guns on the H-class. It was estimated that it would take a 700,000 ton ship to mount them.
Rate of fire for the main battery would be quite slow, one round per gun every five minutes or more while the AA defense would be much more rapid. The AP shell weighed over 15,000 lbs with 441 lbs of burster while the HC shell weighed over 10,000 lbs with 882 lbs of burster.
The 24 cm/73 AA armament was based upon a Kriegsmarine late war study to develop a land based high altitude gun firing a 300 plus pound shell up to 59,000 feet. It is possible that a 700,000 ton ship could carry twelve of these in single double purpose mounts, partly to make up for the slow rate of fire of the 80cm main battery and to engage cruisers.
The 5"/60 were probably Germany's best AA weapon at the end of the war and would have served this mastodon well.
The 80 cm weight of shell is based upon reality. Initially, the 80cm gun was intended to bombard the Maginot Line but as it was not completed in time, it was intended then to use it against Gibraltar. As Spain would not give right of passage to German invasion forces, the Wehrmacht took the gun(s) to Russia and bombarded Sevastapol and possibly Leningrad. The Gustav fired approximately 46 rounds in two days and inflicted incredible damage.
The turrets on this ship are so huge in order to provide sufficient room to handle absolutely giant shells and hold the extremely extensive and strong hoist and rammer facilities needed to fire the shells.
There is no detail information regarding the ship’s power plant. The total SHP required for a ship of this size dictated at least 8 shafts. Based on the extended range of these ships it would appear that a portion of the power plant was diesel.
There was never any intent to build these. It was a study and nothing more. They may as well have drawn up plans for the Death Star since there was about as much likelyhood of it being built
To you from failing hands we throw the torch be yours to hold it high. -In Flanders Fields. John McCrea
Impossible, maybe, maybe not. When we get into this kind of topic it boils down to endless statistics ,opinions and a lot of "what ifs". Had Germany kept peace with the Soviets and finished off the UK, acquiring all of Britains assets would of made this project much more likely to happen IMO. I could see them crafting a few of these to come dock off america's coasts and lay waste, had america stayed out of it. The fact is this is a fantasy unit and like all fantasy units many people aren't going to agree or like them.
The way i look at it, is this. Why NOT have the option of having this to play around with? Why NOT have something out of the ordinary to inject some new forms of gameplay into this. I mean the simple fact is , you don't need to play the unit or even look at it, and it'd be 1 of 72 other cards. I don't agree with some of the rehashed units, but i will still use them in games. Yea it never made it to the physical world and it's massively outclassing most all the other big battleships BUT it doesn't need to be played, Every unit is your option to play. If you don't want to play it big deal, i'm sure many other people would.
I like creating my own scenarios for the most part and something of this size would be pretty cool to have in the game. I wouldn't care about it really if it weren't for the fact that this project actually was thought up, scrutinized and researched as a possibility during that era. Germany loved making MASSIVE technologically advanced death machines, this ship totally would have existed had Germany came out on top, i don't think anyone can argue that, given their reputation for favoring enormous armament. I could even think up some 2v1 scenarios to incorporate this goliath in. Not to mention the shapeway would be a hefty haul. i'd love to see it, just my 2 cents.
Last Edit: Apr 26, 2018 6:48:12 GMT by ironblaster
An operational Warspite, this is a battleship game and that was probably THE battleship of the war. You could talk me into Narvik with the sub killer over the damaged Normandy version.
Then probably any battleship which really floated that isn't in the game already.