Ju 288G – design for an anti-ship version armed with a 355.6 mm (14 in) recoilless cannon They actually tested that cannon on a DO217 What would be the numbers on that be???
Ju 288G – design for an anti-ship version armed with a 355.6 mm (14 in) recoilless cannon They actually tested that cannon on a DO217 What would be the numbers on that be???
Insane.
Do you have a link to an article or picture? I am very curious to see how they did that.
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Post by sirmagnusfrydsen on Dec 27, 2017 16:52:19 GMT
SG 116 The special unit 116, SG 116 short was a developed from mid-1944 German special weapon for installation in light, single-seat fighter aircraft .
After the success of the " Weird Music " in German night fighters, the German Air Force was looking for ways to extend the principle to the tank hunt. Since the air rule at that time was already in the hands of the Allies, only fighters came for this type of air defense or aerial combat in question. The Junkers Ju 87 G also did not prove to be a suitable tool, even considering the fact that the only bearer of the Golden Knight Cross , Hans-Ulrich Rudel , flew such a machine called "Kanonenvogel" in military jargon.
The first starting point for the development of the new weapon were the night attacks of the RAF on Germany since 1943. German night hunting associations reacted with the installation of the so-called "oblique music". Two or more machine guns MG 151/20 or MK 108 were installed in such a way that they fired forwards while the fighter, mostly a Junkers Ju 88 or Messerschmitt Bf 110 , flew over the bomber to avoid the bomber's rear armament , As part of the wild-sow night hunting process , it was examined whether the installation of the "oblique music" would make sense for single-engine day hunters. The result was numerous developments.
Technology [ edit | Edit ] The installation of a MK 103 in the fuselage of a Focke-Wulf Fw 190 was prohibited because the light aircraft would not have withstood the recoil of the weapon. As a result, the MK 103 has undergone several changes. Instead of a pipe return and carriage mechanism was used as a gun brake a so-called "stick", the gun itself was open at the back. The use of a photo-optical sensor released the pilot from aiming. When shooting the "stick" was ejected. Thus put the recoil to a minimum. This development was one of the first recoilless guns without propellant. However, it was quickly recognized that an operation against bomber formations had to be ineffective. Since the device was recoilless, it could easily turn around, that is, the guns were directed at the same inclination down. This gave the fight against armored units a new opportunity. In fact, the "cell shower", as the device was called, no longer used and was installed only for testing purposes in eight fighters Focke-Wulf Fw 190 of the JG 10th The only purpose was to give day-hunters and fighter-bombers such as the Focke-Wulf Fw 190 F-8 a chance to carry heavy weapons and still maintain the hunting characteristics of the Focke-Wulf. A success of this weapon is not detectable, although hunters were involved with this weapon in combat actions.
Core ammunition should be used as in the MK 103 or hard core projectiles, the latter for armor piercing purposes. Since the weapon was einschüssig, the pilot did not have the opportunity to reload. After a high or low flight and the firing of the weapon, the pilot should have returned. As a substitute for the "Weird Music" proved the weapon as a failure, since the day hunters could operate only object bound. In the course of the "wild-sow-procedure", flying over the bombers was unnecessary either way, as the hunters had thus fallen below the flak limit and thus had a very high risk of self-harm.
Thank you for the information and the links. That's a cute little 3D model too. Desperation generates all kinds of crazy ideas. The disadvantage of cannon shells over bombs is the shells have heavy casings so the volume available for explosive is much less than a bomb. In theory an artillery shell would have more penetrating power (from speed) than a bomb, but it sounds like this would have been a pretty low velocity gun. So would this be better than a good dive bomber? I don't know.
As for the original question, we don't have any WotC examples of single large naval rifles so we have to extrapolate down.
RB gave Jean Bart with 4 x 15 in guns (one turret completed) an attack line of 11/11/10/8. The Forumini team gave HMS Roberts with 2 x 15 in guns an attack line of 11/11/10/8 as well. (HMS Roberts seems to be a little generous). What range to use? Probably 0 or 1 from an aircraft? So with a single barrel, one-shot gun what does that equal? Maybe 5 or 6?
What if we compare it to an expert dive bomber?
NavWeaps says the German 35cm (13.78 in) shell designed for the planned Mackensen battlecruisers had a weight of 600 kg (1,323 lbs) with a weight of bursting charge of 20 kg (44 lbs) for the armor piercing round and 40kg (88 lbs) for the high explosive round. From that perspective the shell isn't nearly as powerful as even a 250 lb bomb.
Again from the WotC stats for Expert Dive Bombers we still don't go low enough so we have to extrapolate.
Doesn't look like the idea worked out very well. Seems the test planes were damaged from the cannon in testing, so it was dropped in favor of rocket technology.
By far no expert on this; what i've read. shell 700kg; velocity at impact 460 ms; firing range 6000m 16 sec two impact;; 2000m 5 sec to impact. Even if it didn't have the explosive impact of a bomb; seems it would have value in accuracy and stand off capability for a plane attack especially on lower armor ship targets As 12-7 said it just tore up the planes control at partial shell capacity; rockets seemed the way to go.
It would nearly be impossible to aim and it probably could not reload in flight easily. A shell taking 10 seconds to hit a target moving at 50kph at a range of several kilometres from a plane travelling 400 Kph without a semi automatic or automatic weapon? Sounds impossible.
I beleive I read there was a way to rearm the cannon, but would need to go back and reread the article. I don't think accuracy was a concern, at least that wasn't the impression I got from what I read. I have to believe it would be more accurate than a high-level bomber and most other types of bombing, except perhaps a dive bomber. Obviously, training would be required.
It is interesting to note that the AC-130 has a 105mm howitzer.
Last Edit: Dec 28, 2017 12:09:07 GMT by 12-7-gamer
It would nearly be impossible to aim and it probably could not reload in flight easily. A shell taking 10 seconds to hit a target moving at 50kph at a range of several kilometres from a plane travelling 400 Kph without a semi automatic or automatic weapon? Sounds impossible.
It's not impossible. I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home, they're not much slower than 50kph.
It would nearly be impossible to aim and it probably could not reload in flight easily. A shell taking 10 seconds to hit a target moving at 50kph at a range of several kilometres from a plane travelling 400 Kph without a semi automatic or automatic weapon? Sounds impossible.
I'd have to differ with you here; It was meant for and tested as a anti shipping weapon. [Merchants] Dive Bombers don't reload in air and a ship moving at 10 knots is 5.14 meters per second, in 10 seconds that's about 170 feet,if my math is correct, who knows at my age anyhow. It was also tested for high angle dives i don't think accuracy would have been a problem on most slower targets, again depending on the distance it was fired 2000 to 6000 meters [design numbers] The axis were a little ahead of their time in weapons so i'm not ruling out the good try, the game has come up with crazier fantasy then this. Every one loves the ships that were never built; with all their glorious weapons, nothing wrong toying with a test product. It was real, ahead of its time and the Germans have proven time and again if they put the effort into it, its happening.
It would nearly be impossible to aim and it probably could not reload in flight easily. A shell taking 10 seconds to hit a target moving at 50kph at a range of several kilometres from a plane travelling 400 Kph without a semi automatic or automatic weapon? Sounds impossible.
I'd have to differ with you here; It was meant for and tested as a anti shipping weapon. [Merchants] Dive Bombers don't reload in air and a ship moving at 10 knots is 5.14 meters per second, in 10 seconds that's about 170 feet,if my math is correct, who knows at my age anyhow. It was also tested for high angle dives i don't think accuracy would have been a problem on most slower targets, again depending on the distance it was fired 2000 to 6000 meters [design numbers] The axis were a little ahead of their time in weapons so i'm not ruling out the good try, the game has come up with crazier fantasy then this. Every one loves the ships that were never built; with all their glorious weapons, nothing wrong toying with a test product. It was real, ahead of its time and the Germans have proven time and again if they put the effort into it, its happening.